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Title: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Christianmocking on April 18, 2020, 01:19:52 AM
Wow, these one player rules just dropped!

https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/ae348d66236eced540be8ee802b1dbef51b33bb9/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_ENG_Web.pdf
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: DrMeeple on April 18, 2020, 01:36:00 AM
Really?? Hahahaha OMG

Enviado desde St. Meeple Hospital

Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: Murphy013 on April 18, 2020, 04:08:48 AM
Or here (https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=218&t=5026) at CarcF

Meepledrone is late ;)
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: Willem on April 18, 2020, 05:10:30 AM
Yeah, saw the announcement on Facebook.
I've had a quick read through the rules and its an interesting concept tbh
I like how they gave it a twist with the counting. Might give it a try at one point
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: Meepledrone on April 18, 2020, 06:11:23 AM
Meepledrone is late ;)

Oops! I was walking my balloon dog. :o
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: DrMeeple on April 18, 2020, 06:51:30 AM
The last sentence of the rules:
'Adding special meeples and tiles is also possible, however, we haven’t tried it yet, so you’d have to try that at your
own risk!'


Hahahahaha HiG you make my day!  ;D
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: Meepledrone on April 18, 2020, 07:28:15 AM
What did you expect?

If you combine this solo version with regular Carcassonne... the playing area may explode!  ;)
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: DrMeeple on April 18, 2020, 07:49:03 AM
What did you expect?

If you combine this solo version with regular Carcassonne... the playing area may explode!  ;)
HiG ultimately they only testing with basic game. Expansions? Try that at your own risk only!! Hahahahaha

Enviado desde St. Meeple Hospital

Title: Official Solo Mode Released
Post by: DaFees on April 18, 2020, 09:44:11 AM
Dear everyone,

HiG officially put out today rules for playing Carcassonne solo style! The rules are available in English ( https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/ae348d66236eced540be8ee802b1dbef51b33bb9/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_ENG_Web.pdf ) And German ( https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/9a093f4d9482708af85960ccfb3bef088e836067/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_DE_Web.pdf ). I haven’t personally read the rules yet as I wanted to hurry up and share them here so I can’t swear if they’re any good.

Regardless this is exciting news! I will definitely have to try these out later!

P.S. paging Meepledrone! You have new rules to pour over.  ;D

EDIT - read the rules and the solo mode seems like a challenge more than anything, but a fun challenge. It also would seem that expansions could be mixed in though it will naturally fall upon us to sort out any interaction questions.
Title: Re: Official Solo Mode Released
Post by: DrMeeple on April 18, 2020, 10:18:37 AM
There's another thread about this theme in this forum.

Enviado desde St. Meeple Hospital

Title: Re: Official Solo Mode Released
Post by: Murphy013 on April 18, 2020, 11:56:12 AM
No comment till now from Meepledrone?
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: Murphy013 on April 18, 2020, 11:58:34 AM
Ah, here I was in the wrong thread.

Do Meepledrone can‘t say something. I‘m surprised
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: DrMeeple on April 18, 2020, 12:29:32 PM
Ah, here I was in the wrong thread.

Do Meepledrone can‘t say something. I‘m surprised
Hahahaha Meepledrone has drones on every thread hahahah

Enviado desde St. Meeple Hospital

Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: Murphy013 on April 18, 2020, 03:24:24 PM
Too many topics about the same topic confuse me
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: Meepledrone on April 18, 2020, 06:08:54 PM
Sorry, I've been busy preparing this tiny test:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_per_Feature_-_Test (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_per_Feature_-_Test)

If you want to post comments about it, please do it here:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4489.msg67632#msg67632 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4489.msg67632#msg67632)  ;)


Don't worry, I read the rules of the solo variant and will start working a a WICA page accordingly.  ;D

PS: The drone responded on any related topic.
Title: Re: Official Solo Mode Released
Post by: Meepledrone on April 18, 2020, 06:10:27 PM
Sorry, I've been busy preparing this tiny test:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_per_Feature_-_Test

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence)

If you want to post comments about it, please do it here:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4489.msg67632#msg67632 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4489.msg67632#msg67632)  ;)


Don't worry, I read the rules of the solo variant and will start working a a WICA page accordingly.  ;D


PS: The drone responded on any related topic.

Edit: Renamed test page to final name
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: cicerunner on April 18, 2020, 09:40:35 PM
  • Hey! This looks like fun, can't wait to try it!
  • What is this doing in "off topic"? If I hadn't been doing some deep rummaging in the forums I would never have found it!
  • Similarly it seems (slightly) odd that this was apparently only released via Facebook. Or was it announced elsewhere too? (Or put another way, I really try to avoid Facebook, but if there's a Twitter account or other social media account I should be following - please let me know!)
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: Meepledrone on April 19, 2020, 01:41:15 AM
  • Hey! This looks like fun, can't wait to try it!
  • What is this doing in "off topic"? If I hadn't been doing some deep rummaging in the forums I would never have found it!
  • Similarly it seems (slightly) odd that this was apparently only released via Facebook. Or was it announced elsewhere too? (Or put another way, I really try to avoid Facebook, but if there's a Twitter account or other social media account I should be following - please let me know!)

It seems it was announces on Facebook and Instagram:

https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele (https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele)
https://www.instagram.com/hig_spiele/ (https://www.instagram.com/hig_spiele/)

But the rules are available on the HiG home page:

https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/aussergewoehnliche-zeiten.html (https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/aussergewoehnliche-zeiten.html)

You can find the rules in English and German there (I include both links here again).

* English:
https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/ae348d66236eced540be8ee802b1dbef51b33bb9/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_ENG_Web.pdf (https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/ae348d66236eced540be8ee802b1dbef51b33bb9/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_ENG_Web.pdf)
* German:
https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/9a093f4d9482708af85960ccfb3bef088e836067/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_DE_Web.pdf (https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/9a093f4d9482708af85960ccfb3bef088e836067/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_DE_Web.pdf)

There are two topics discussing this announcement on the Home Page as of today: this one (with the link to the English rules) and another by DaFees
here (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4605.0) with the links to the English and the German rules.

You are right, the topic is misplaced. I will move this topic from "Anything Else" to "News and Events" where it belongs.

Enjoy the new solo game rules!  ;D
Title: Re: Official Solo Mode Released
Post by: Meepledrone on April 19, 2020, 01:49:55 AM
Dear everyone,

HiG officially put out today rules for playing Carcassonne solo style! The rules are available in English ( https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/ae348d66236eced540be8ee802b1dbef51b33bb9/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_ENG_Web.pdf ) And German ( https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/9a093f4d9482708af85960ccfb3bef088e836067/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_DE_Web.pdf ). I haven’t personally read the rules yet as I wanted to hurry up and share them here so I can’t swear if they’re any good.

Regardless this is exciting news! I will definitely have to try these out later!

P.S. paging Meepledrone! You have new rules to pour over.  ;D

EDIT - read the rules and the solo mode seems like a challenge more than anything, but a fun challenge. It also would seem that expansions could be mixed in though it will naturally fall upon us to sort out any interaction questions.

Hi DaFees,

Thank you for sharing both links.

There was an earlier, albeit misplaced topic, that shared the English rules only here:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4604.0 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4604.0)

I just copied your links over and included a reference to this topic.

In order to keep a the discussion in one topic. I will lock this topic if you don't mind.

+1 merit from me. Thank you for sharing.

Cheers!


Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: Meepledrone on April 19, 2020, 02:07:44 AM
Wow, these one player rules just dropped!

https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/ae348d66236eced540be8ee802b1dbef51b33bb9/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_ENG_Web.pdf

Hi Christianmocking,

Thank you for breaking the news.

+1 merit from me.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: jungleboy on April 19, 2020, 02:47:58 AM
There are two instances where the rules say city when they should say road.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200419/b0218915db8baa763d5928c95796a5ad.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200419/1e32476550a0f6841a6b9354b5f81d80.jpg)
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: Meepledrone on April 19, 2020, 03:27:05 AM
Ha ha ha! HiG will never let you down.  >:D

The German rules are okay though, at least in those to spots!

I love to read the rules side by side with a glass of brandy in one hand.
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: clotoro on April 19, 2020, 12:51:19 PM
Giving these a go tomorrow, hopefully. Anyone tried them yet?
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: cicerunner on April 20, 2020, 12:08:32 AM
I finally got around to playing late last night and found it really engaging. The co-op style of play required is very different to regular Carcassonne.

I started out scoring almost nothing, but soon got into the teens and twenties. It's a fine balancing act between keeping plenty of meeples on the tiles so that you're not forced into placing a meeple every turn and keeping enough in reserve so that when you are obliged to do so, you actually have one.

When trying to maintain this balance,  monasteries and multi-feature tiles become a risk! (I think multi-feature tiles make up about 3/8ths of the base game.)

So far I've been pursuing the tactic of almost completely refusing to take zero point feature completions and holding out to score the last placed colour. (As a consequence I've got nowhere near placing all the tiles to end the game that way.) Over the evening I realised that pursuing the creation of shared features is the way to go; by default they are likely to include the last placed colour. And of course a three way share guarantees that all the colours will score.

I also started deliberately constructing holes that a monastery could be dropped into for immediate, or almost immediate, completion.

Late last night a big three way, 26 point, city came together and this helped me score around **44**, 48, 52. My best so far.

The fact that I've woken up thinking about it is a good sign!
Title: Re: Official one player rules!!
Post by: danisthirty on April 20, 2020, 01:31:20 AM
There are two instances where the rules say city when they should say road.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200419/b0218915db8baa763d5928c95796a5ad.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200419/1e32476550a0f6841a6b9354b5f81d80.jpg)

Do we know for sure that this is a mistake? Perhaps roads are cities now, and maybe cities are roads too? Should mayors now be allowed to claim roads if they're also cities? Can someone please ask HiG for clarity over this whilst I add footnotes clarifying that roads may be treated as cities and vice versa to literally every single paragraph of the CAR document?
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Decar on April 20, 2020, 01:45:19 AM
and the biggest questions of all:  Are the tiles still tiles?  Is one physical tile still a tile?  How risky is playing Carcassonne with expansions because it sounds dangerous?
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: DrMeeple on April 20, 2020, 05:44:15 AM
The new Carcassonne is coming... HiG is ready for a ‘meepleine party’!!!


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Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: cicerunner on April 20, 2020, 01:21:22 PM
Now this is confusing. The English one seems to have been taken down ... Anyone know why? Is it even intentional?
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Meepledrone on April 21, 2020, 04:12:47 AM
HiG removed and updated the English file to correct the errors mentioned by jungleboy. Although the file name in the same, the URL has changed.

The German file didn't change:
* English rules (updated):
https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/a4dc937a132c8cb6f46e5102b92592307f5dda23/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_ENG_Web.pdf (https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/a4dc937a132c8cb6f46e5102b92592307f5dda23/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_ENG_Web.pdf)
* German rules (same):
https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/9a093f4d9482708af85960ccfb3bef088e836067/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_DE_Web.pdf (https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/9a093f4d9482708af85960ccfb3bef088e836067/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_DE_Web.pdf)

I'm feeling lucky today!  ;D
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: danisthirty on April 21, 2020, 04:38:17 AM
HiG removed and updated the English file to correct the errors mentioned by jungleboy. Although the file name in the same, the URL has changed.

Hmm, OK. So now we have Solo v1 and v2 rules where cities and roads are equivalent to each other in v1 but not in v2. How will this be recognised in the wiki?
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Meepledrone on April 21, 2020, 04:41:19 AM
Well, we could keep track of all these corrections to make the reader's brains go numb!  >:D

A city is a city is a road is a city is a German cathedral on a halfling is a monastery is an inn.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: cicerunner on April 21, 2020, 04:04:54 PM
Thanks for the update MeepleDrone.

We still have a Tipp, I see.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Meepledrone on April 21, 2020, 04:22:54 PM
Yes! It was in the original one, but I can leave with that... for time being. WICA will show "Tip"  ;)
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Meepledrone on April 24, 2020, 11:03:22 AM
Hi all!

The Solo Variant rules are available at WICA here:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Solo_Variant (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Solo_Variant)

Cheers!
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: cicerunner on April 28, 2020, 10:42:57 PM
I love it. They've changed them again! English and German this time.

English - https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/a1c72368a5fda7bfaf7cf41ccb7605ba0a44113f/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_9_E.pdf

German - https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/3a6d23a951392720582431dcc8b45ec2f0d50fbc/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_9_D.pdf

I can't believe that they change the URL as well each time they revise the document. It's even labelled 'persistent' in the file path ...

I've not actually checked what has changed. I only found out because someone pointed out the previous links were broken in a Reddit post I made.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: coldhands on April 28, 2020, 10:46:49 PM
oh, now i'm realy confuse..... the link is for a game other than Carcassonne  :o
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: DrMeeple on April 28, 2020, 11:19:13 PM
I don't know what happened but HiG published diferent rules for different variants for his games.

Enviado desde St. Meeple Hospital

Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: cicerunner on April 29, 2020, 01:00:56 AM
oh, now i'm realy confuse..... the link is for a game other than Carcassonne  :o
Apologies!

English link corrected.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: coldhands on April 29, 2020, 01:54:13 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Meepledrone on April 29, 2020, 07:04:52 AM
I just had a quick look and I could see HiG added some scoring tables and some goals to track. Did anyone have a good look to see if they changed anything in the rules?
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: DrMeeple on April 29, 2020, 02:24:06 PM
No. Only they add the final part. The rest of the rules are the same.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Sinscerly on April 30, 2020, 12:01:50 AM
There is even a Dutch version. https://www.999games.nl/nieuws/carcassonne-solovariant

Couldnt download it mobile :(
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: danisthirty on April 30, 2020, 05:12:28 AM
English - https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/a1c72368a5fda7bfaf7cf41ccb7605ba0a44113f/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_9_E.pdf

German - https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/3a6d23a951392720582431dcc8b45ec2f0d50fbc/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_9_D.pdf

Maybe I've gone mad, but these links don't appear to be working at the moment.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Decar on April 30, 2020, 06:41:19 AM
Those two events can be mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Meepledrone on April 30, 2020, 07:25:34 AM
Whose fault is this?
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Sinscerly on April 30, 2020, 08:01:55 AM
Apparently MeepleDrone tried downloading to much rules...   :-X
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: danisthirty on April 30, 2020, 08:07:12 AM
Apparently MeepleDrone tried downloading to much rules...   :-X

I knew he'd be to blame.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Meepledrone on April 30, 2020, 08:11:43 AM
Wasn't this Dan's role?
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: danisthirty on April 30, 2020, 08:16:55 AM
Wasn't this Dan's role?

Only if the purpose for downloading them was to find some way of criticising them.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: cicerunner on April 30, 2020, 09:31:36 AM
English - https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/a1c72368a5fda7bfaf7cf41ccb7605ba0a44113f/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_9_E.pdf

German - https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/3a6d23a951392720582431dcc8b45ec2f0d50fbc/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_9_D.pdf

Maybe I've gone mad, but these links don't appear to be working at the moment.
1) Who knows.
2) They're not! It's almost as though HIG can't quite decide whether they want people to play with these rules or not ...

For reference the HIG page from which those links were taken - https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/aussergewoehnliche-zeiten.html
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Decar on April 30, 2020, 09:51:29 AM
Best to take from this page:

https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/spiele/carcassonne.html

they're 404ing here too though.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Meepledrone on April 30, 2020, 10:07:58 AM
Same URLs from different pages...  :o
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: cicerunner on May 01, 2020, 08:09:23 AM
OK, I want to stress that I'm not here to have a go at HIG, but is this scenario typical? This is almost my first experience of any kind of product release having only discovered Carcassonne late last year.

It's kind of frustrating when, as a fan, I casually evangelise Carcassonne (as I have by posting these on Reddit for example), only for the links to be repeatedly broken. (And Carcassonne/HIG to be presented in an unflattering light as a result.)
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: danisthirty on May 01, 2020, 08:12:49 AM
OK, I want to stress that I'm not here to have a go at HIG but is this scenario typical?

It's kind of frustrating when, as a fan, I casually evangelise Carcassonne (as I have by posting these on Reddit for example), only for the links to be repeatedly broken. (And Carcassonne/HIG to be presented in an unflattering light as a result.)

Welcome to my life circa 2013 - 2018.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: cicerunner on May 01, 2020, 08:15:18 AM
OK, I want to stress that I'm not here to have a go at HIG but is this scenario typical

Welcome to my life circa 2013 - 2018.
So that's a "yes" then? ;)
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: cicerunner on May 01, 2020, 08:16:49 AM
PS I edited my post (probably more than once) after you quoted it, but then I'm not the manufacturer of a hugely successful game with fans hanging on my every word.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Decar on May 01, 2020, 08:18:06 AM
HiG is an enigma, sometimes what they do makes sense, some times it does not.

I think this is the first time HiG have simply produced a PDF of rules, so probably dont have the experience to maintain them on their website.

The links they are using are brittle, it means that things are lost easily!
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Meepledrone on May 01, 2020, 11:44:24 AM
Well, wouldn't like to pour gasoline on the fire but HiG updated their site several times in the past and made disappear fan stuff they previously had uploaded or even published... So we can expect anything.

At least the links for the Solo Variant and the PnP Demo Spiel will be broken during the long weekend. A great opportunity for fans missed IMHO.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: cicerunner on May 02, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
For reference the HIG page from which those links were taken - https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/aussergewoehnliche-zeiten.html
Re my earlier post above. The links to the solo variants contained in that page are still broken.

However ...
Best to take from this page:

https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/spiele/carcassonne.html

they're 404ing here too though.
The links contained in the page that Decar shared are now working again!

The file URLs have of course changed again!

Whether the content has changed again, I don't know. I'm close to being past caring.
Title: HIG Solo Rules at this link
Post by: t2k on May 10, 2020, 01:29:46 PM
Looked hard and found this link on another site to download solo Carcassonne rules in English; the original link on HIG site has been removed, it seems.

https://images-geeknative-com.exactdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/21192738/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_ENG_Web.pdf

Better yet, here are the rules attached.

Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: t2k on May 10, 2020, 03:23:59 PM
Here are the rules in PDF.  I have a post further down with the rules also attached an the link where I found them.
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: Decar on May 11, 2020, 12:26:08 PM
 Have you looked on cundco.de?
Title: Re: HiG release official singe player rules
Post by: cicerunner on May 11, 2020, 11:04:00 PM
Have you looked on cundco.de?
Interesting idea!

I thought I'd give it a try ... They have this - https://cundco.de/en/mini-expansions/carcassonne/338/carcassonne-solo-version-for-free?c=75 - which is German and English versions in a single PDF document.

(You need to click through into the 'description' of the shop item to give the download link.)

Which versions? The original ones with the roads misnamed as cities etc! (Face palm.)