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Carc Central Community => Online Games and Competitions => World Cup of Carcassonne Central => Topic started by: danisthirty on September 01, 2015, 03:56:42 AM
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Welcome to the group stage of the 2015 World Cup of Carcassonne Central! This thread is primarily for members of Group B to arrange matches between themselves and post scores, screenshots and the obligatory smack-talk as the group progresses. The top 2 players from this group once everyone in the group has played all 4 of their matches will advance through to the knockout stage.
Here is a list of the group members (including location):
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/WC2015_GroupB.jpg)
If you haven’t read them already, please ensure that you are familiar with the tournament rules/ general information (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2012.msg27708#msg27708) (you should also receive this via email). You may also find the JCloisterZone FAQ (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=778) interesting/ useful if you have any unanswered questions about how JCloisterZone works (or you can just email me).
Good luck, and have fun!
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MrNumbers and Merlin_89 in the same group. Ouch!
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MrNumbers and Merlin_89 in the same group. Ouch!
Yes indeed. I'm relying on ticket sales for this match to boost the prize fund... O0
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Due to an apparent "bug" with the way River 1 is implemented within JCloisterZone, please avoid using this expansion in your game. At this stage of the competition we will now be using Inns & Cathedrals and King & Robber Baron only.
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So, well, here is the screen shot of the infamous bugged game. I feel very uneasy about it :-[, but like I said before, I did understood the rule bug, when MrNumbers mentioned it to me, I just did not considered it as critical, because the tiles are drawn randomly, anyway, and the so called "bonus turn" was not a really one, because I could not do anything on the lake tile. But if MrNumbers would have suggested to quit the game, right after he mentioned the bug, I sure would have agreed to do so.
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Don't feel too bad about it. In my game vs. Paul we also had a bug (not River-related) that ultimately led Paul to victory. Those things happen...
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Can't wait for the games to start. I'm available to play pretty much every day after 5pm (UTC+1). I've already sent PM with invites. I'll be waiting on irc channel. Hopefully we could finish our group quickly, it's always sort of achievement (and there's prize for it! :D).
I have lots of games waiting for me in line (Round 2 of Welcome Tournament just started!), but it's good! I need practice before my Polish Championships (September 26th).
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I'm not sure I fully understand this so-called bug.
Is it that JCZ automatically plays the final River Tile, as neither player?
Does it occur in every game?
If so everyone is playing under the same conditions.
How long has this been implemented like this in JCZ? It appears to be implemented this way deliberately, rather than being a bug.
Dan has suggested to everyone to play test games to become familiar with JCZ and no one has mentioned this as an issue.
I think that any disputes or 'bugs' should be declared when they arise; a player cannot dispute the outcome after the game has finished (unless the issue occurs on the last turn). JCZ allows you to save a game before continuing. If an error does arise the game should be paused, resolved and either restarted or resumed.
Given the River occurs in the first 12 tiles of a game with InC & KnB, I'm not sure how the game could have continued for another 90 turns before it was an issue.
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Also Big Box 5 Rules state the following:
The river source is placed in the middle of the table and the river mouth is set to the side.
The other River tiles are shuffled and placed in a facedown pile. The players take turns drawing River tiles and connecting them to the growing river.
Once all River tiles have been drawn and placed, the river mouth is placed to complete the river.
I do not think the behaviour described is a bug, the last tile should be automatically laid.
The Android implementation performs the same behaviour as JCZ.
Please consider re-instating The River into the tournament.
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Thanks for your posts Decar. I agree with this.
Please consider re-instating The River into the tournament.
I think it is too late for this now...
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Thanks for your posts Decar. I agree with this.
Please consider re-instating The River into the tournament.
I think it is too late for this now...
How about making it optional? Let the two players decide whether they use River I in their current game or not. If either player is against it, then they won't include it.
I think this might be an acceptable compromise.
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I do not think the behaviour described is a bug, the last tile should be automatically laid.
The Android implementation performs the same behaviour as JCZ.
Android implementation and JCZ software are not official ones. Official software from Koch Media uses correct rules for the lake, i.e. player can place a lake as a simple tile and place a farmer on it (if the farm isn't already taken, of course).
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Wow, fascinating! Given this tourney is my first time playing with JCZ, I've never encountered the interpretation that the Lake tile is placed automatically. The iOS version allows the player whose turn it is to place the Lake (and FWIW I understand the developers of that app worked closely with HIG on the fine points of the rules).
I always thought the wording of the rules simply referred to the order in which the river tiles must be placed, not that one of them would be placed automatically as a special non-player turn.
I find nothing in the CAR 7.4 that would indicate this either. Is this a common rule others play with outside of JCZ? RII rules do allow the player who placed the Lake/Volcano tile to immediately take another turn (which is sort of like a computer program laying the Lake automatically), but that seems to be allowed because they can't play a follower since the dragon must be placed there.
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MrNumbers vs. Merlin_89
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Thanks MrNumbers, it was good game!
To summarize it... First 30 tiles was toe to toe, and pretty much without big scoring. We locked our meeples in joint cities and it was hard to score it. Things started to get my way when I blocked one of his meeple, he blocked his second one on field (which eventually got him 9 points). At that point I could tell that MrNumbers put his money on cathedral in big city, if it had paid of he would have won whole game. But it wasn't the point, last 20 tile he was out of meeples and I started to score freely. Game ended with low ponts on both side... seriously 129 can be easilly scored with only base game.
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The next games have been played in the WorldCup 15 - Group B - 03 09 2015
Here comes the x-score list:
games yesterday and today:
- MrNumbers (94) - Hounk (190)
- MrNumbers (61) - Merlin_89 (129)
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Game ended with low ponts on both side... seriously 129 can be easilly scored with only base game.
I would say that depends who you're playing against and how the game goes. Scores can vary a lot, even in just the basic game...
Anyway, it sounds like it was a deeply tactical game and that meeples were in short supply. Well played both, it sounds like a shame that there had to be a loser... :(
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Merlin_89 vs. Hounk
211:239
It was a tight match, Merlin took a lead in the beginning, which I could overcome by winning a big cathedral city. Afterwards there had been mainly cunning battles for farms, which more or less all ended up equal.
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Frank and I are planning to do our game at 4 pm CET this afternoon. I do not know, if he can host, or if he will reply before the game, because it is half past one in the morning in Calgary right now. So, if anybody, who can host is available at that time, it would be great.
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I will leave my laptop on for you to connect to if necessary (will PM you both the details). If this doesn't work for whatever reason and you're really stuck then do use the online server. I think it has been used quite reliably so far in this competition...
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Great, thank you! Yes, I planned the online server as a back up solution, since it is quite stable, now. Still, for a big competition game, I still prefer a hosted game.
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Franks vs. Hounk
162 :67
After a good start for me, it took me ages to get a RRFF to free two of my meeples on a road, which finally secured me robber baron. In the meantime, franks got in advance by finishing a lot of features, while I was relatively short on meeples. Then he sneaked into a few of my features, won the main farm and I didn't had any chance to fight back. Very well played by Franks, the result was devastating.
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MrNumbers vs. franks
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Lots of playing in our group today!
I haven't said... Kudos for Hounk, he served me my first loss on JCloister yesterday. :(y)
Today, new day. Merlin_89 199-102 Franks
Lots of things went my way, but start was tight and score was even. Then I took over city on the north (7 tiles) that gave me King, it meant small advantage for me. Franks tried to pursue city with cathedral, but I made it hard to be completed. Big fight took place on field, Franks sneaked into that and I was certain he'll score it, but last tile changed it to a draw (30 points).
It looks like, we only wait for games with Aenima. She (?) wrote to me that she returns to home on Wednesday. Lots can change after those games.
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Great games guys. Thank you for posting the results!
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The next games have been played in the WorldCup 15 - Group B - 05 09 2015
Here comes the x-score list:
a very busy 24 hours in group B:
- franks (162) - Hounk (67)
- franks (102) - Merlin_89 (199)
- franks (113) - MrNumbers (207)
- Hounk (239) - Merlin_89 (211)
only the 4 games against aenima are open. aenima will come back around the 9th this month.
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I'm in Belgium now... I can play from tomorrow! Who whant to play? :)
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Wow... From the xscore I see I need to win 3 games! Hard work!!! So... I can play this evening around 20.00 - 21.00... Maybe I can do more then 1 game. Let me know!
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Aenima agreed to schedule a morning game with me, thanks to that I finished all my group games.
Merlin_89 164-110 Aenima
I won, but what a game it was! Lot of things started from the very beginning. We quarreled for stupid roads in the center. Then he attacked my cloister and my road, and made it extremely hard to complete. Very quickly lots of our meeples were tangled into incompleted roads, cloisters in the middle of the map. I tried to score little things, but he definetely planned further in future, he invested meeples in large city in the North (around 28 points if he completed), he only waited for one specific tile... I was down on points, and quite desperate I even finished his 8 tile road, because I knew it will give me a robber. Things started to look brighter when I blocked 2 meeples in his catherdral construction. I got tile that allowed me to score partially on city in the North. Then we finally started to play farm game, he invested in West field, I put Farmer in East side (very similar in points). I had big meeple in hand, so I decided to make big move, I put him on church tile (but on farm), that's how I sneaked into Aenima's West farm, and stole it. After that game was decided... It's worth mentioning that he was still ahead of me after regular game...
Aenima is definetely a tough cookie! Beware of him! :D
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Aenima is definetely a tough cookie! Beware of her! :D
Aenima (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1566) is male, as far as I am aware :D
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Sorry Aenima I corrected my post... Mr Numbers - thanks!
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Sounds like a great match. Thanks for the report Merlin, I enjoyed reading it. :) :(y)
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Sorry Aenima I corrected my post... Mr Numbers - thanks!
Ahahah no prob! :-*
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The next game has been played in the WorldCup 15 - Group B - 09 09 2015
Here comes the x-score list:
the game today:
- aenima (110) - Merlin_89 (164)
Merlin_89 has finished all his games in group B.
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only 3 games left:
aenima against:
- franks
- Hounk
- MrNumbers
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MrNumbers vs. aenima
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Well done Mr. Numbers. Now its a must-win situation for Hounk. You've put the pressure on him.
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The next game has been played in the WorldCup 15 - Group B - 09 09 2015-1
Here comes the x-score list:
the game yesterday:
- aenima (95) - MrNumbers (221)
With the win from MrNumbers against aenima - he has a small chance to come into round 2. That will be a very important game between aenima and Hounk.
Merlin_89 and MrNumbers have finished all their games in group B.
Merlin_89 is definitely in round 2.
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only 2 games left:
aenima against:
- franks
- Hounk
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aenima and Hounk will play their game - it will start in a few minutes.
Can someone of you host the game ? - Perhaps you MrNumbers ?
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Really exiting and enjoyable game, right to the last tile. Although, I gave away 2 points on my last tile by expanding my cloister rather then one of my farms, I still won it by 2 points. I got lucky, finishing and winning the big cathedral city, but aenima was on my heels with very (!) good meeple management (I trapped two of his in the 4 point city very early) regarding the farms.
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I've sent a message to aenima, hoping we can get our last game in this weekend :yellow-meeple:
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I've sent a message to aenima, hoping we can get our last game in this weekend :yellow-meeple:
Today i can play when you want
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group B: Hounk - aenima
It was the first game which I looked at. MrNumbers hosted this game and looked also at it.
It was interesting to look at, because with this result of the game - we would get the 2nd participant from group B who would take part in round 2.
If aenima have won the game - then MrNumbers would take part in round 2 as the 2nd participant from group B.
If Hounk have won the game - then he would take part in round 2 as the 2nd participant from group B.
So I decided to follow the fight for this win - sometimes Hounk had the most points, but often aenima had a few more points than Hounk during the game...
The happy winner is Hounk - he is now in round 2. I am sorry for MrNumbers - he is actual the 3rd in group B. aenima - you have played great - sorry for your lost.
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Yeah, dramatical game. Aenima had very good chances to win it.
Now I am out of knock-out phase (at least, MrsNumbers has good chances to reach it :) )
That first game cost me too much...
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I actually thought very much myself, that aenima would win the game. He sure played better for most of the game, regarding the handicap of having trapped 2 meeples from early on in the game. I was much more often in danger of running out of meeples, even didn't place a farmer on the CCCC, when I got it (although it was very tempting, with two finished cities granted and in the end, it had a full set of 4), because of that. I also made some mistakes in endgame, which might have broken my neck in a game that tight. But I disagree, that it was just the first game, which cost you to much, MrNumbers. As our group was just determined by wins, not by secondary scores, you would have had just the same chance, if you would have had won against Merlin_89.
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Just finished my game with aenima
A very tense, close game that could have gone either way. Unfinished cities made it close and the end farming also made a difference.
Great game, thanks aenima!
aenima - 71
franks - 102
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The last two games have been played in the WorldCup 15 - Group B - 12 09 2015
Here comes the x-score list:
played games in the last few days:
- aenima (165) - Hounk (167)
- aenima (71) - franks (102)
All the participants have finished all their games in group B.
Winner of group B is Merlin_89 (B1) and the 2nd is Hounk (B2).