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Title: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 19, 2020, 05:17:55 AM
https://cundco.de/en/detail/index/sArticle/357/sCategory/14
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Snowmax on November 19, 2020, 05:27:11 AM
Argh! Why now and not a month ago so I could have combined shipping!


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Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 19, 2020, 05:31:48 AM
Not only that!!!

The Advent Sale is on so get your missing Spiel'20 tiles guys!!!  :(y) :(y)

https://cundco.de/en/spiel.digital-2020/271/spiel-20-tile?c=107 (https://cundco.de/en/spiel.digital-2020/271/spiel-20-tile?c=107)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 19, 2020, 05:34:26 AM
This is HiG's evil plan to get all our money...  >:D

That's why they didn't release this expansions earlier at Essen...  They usually released a the conversion of an old expansion and a new one. Here we have the new one... 
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: NGC 54 on November 19, 2020, 05:48:31 AM
I think that it is a kind of Besiegers in New Edition.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Snowmax on November 19, 2020, 05:51:53 AM
5 euro for it and 5 euros to post! Any one have any suggestions of other cundco games that are good to order at same time?


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Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: carlium on November 19, 2020, 05:59:05 AM
Looks cool, I want to see the rules to see what is new  :red-meeple:

Did you notice that city borders include buildings badly cut? I am wondering how this will affect the alignment with other tiles  ::)

(https://i.ibb.co/M65vfhC/Untitled.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

I hope it is only in the promo image and not in the actual tiles.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: NGC 54 on November 19, 2020, 06:03:40 AM
No expansion Symbol?
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: DIN0 on November 19, 2020, 06:34:26 AM
Yeah, lack of symbol is shocking nowadays - not that it would be dificult to sort out, but still.

Is it just me, or does this scream Besiegers?  :))

EDIT: Based on the icons, they probably affect (devalue?) the scoring of certain features.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: MMike on November 19, 2020, 06:41:34 AM
I think the pitchfork is good enough for the expansion's icon ;)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 19, 2020, 06:54:04 AM
Maybe the picture was done hastily and cropped the tiles too much... The style of the symbols on the tiles seem a bit off to my taste...

But we have a farmhouse in a new style, only used earlier in promotional material, a village with a well (where is Bumsakalaka when we need him?) and a village ending a road (previously we only had cottages)...

Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: NGC 54 on November 19, 2020, 07:10:50 AM
Symbol at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DbesGbckySpk2aeuW8UcPEQFMfZoN0hx/view.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: corinthiens13 on November 19, 2020, 08:56:22 AM
Looks cool, I want to see the rules to see what is new  :red-meeple:

Did you notice that city borders include buildings badly cut? I am wondering how this will affect the alignment with other tiles  ::)

(https://i.ibb.co/M65vfhC/Untitled.png) (https://imgbb.com/)

I hope it is only in the promo image and not in the actual tiles.

It's also on cundco's tile list, and on the advent package's picture... That issue may be on the actual tiles  ???
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: MMike on November 19, 2020, 09:30:14 AM
Symbol at https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DbesGbckySpk2aeuW8UcPEQFMfZoN0hx/view.
It looks like the Devil's pitchfork  >:D
I would have rotate it 45° to the right
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 19, 2020, 10:20:32 AM
There are many hints that the images overflow the tiles... Oh my! We'll see them in person when we get our orders...  :o
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 19, 2020, 10:53:46 AM
But we have a farmhouse in a new style, only used earlier in promotional material, a village with a well (where is Bumsakalaka when we need him?)
Well has to be on road, not in village or city ;-D
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 19, 2020, 11:05:44 AM
That well was missing you badly.  ;)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 19, 2020, 11:06:00 AM
Our German friend updated Tiles list.
So you can see there expansion symbol and list of all 12 tiles.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 19, 2020, 11:07:32 AM
I'm ready to add them to WICA.. but no rules available so far...

I can just fool around with the Tile Distribution  ???
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 19, 2020, 11:09:56 AM
That well was missing you badly.  ;)
I don't know, it's small one without roof, but it's good place to Toll Keeper "figure/token".

Anyway I'm still waiting for expansion which will use Water Tower (in this new are 3 tiles with them). It's always showed in tiles distrubution but none expansion (official or fan) is not using it!
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 19, 2020, 11:10:33 AM
I'm ready to add them to WICA.. but no rules available so far...

I can just fool around with the Tile Distribution  ???

Yop. In German forum are talkging if this expansion is not answer for Cathars. We will see.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 19, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
If you check the symbols on the tiles, there are actions affecting monasteries, cities and roads... We don't know what those actions may be that you have to chose to stop the uprise of let it be...
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 19, 2020, 11:25:50 AM
But there are not so much cities tiles.

Anyway, this is very nice tile distribution:
1. Village => placement for toll keeper
2. Garden
3. 4x sheds => toll keepers, leipzig
4. 3x water tower (not yet used but when...)
5. 1/2 half tiles with cities - 1/2 only with roads
6. And two tiles (from 12) without people ;-D
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 19, 2020, 11:27:58 AM
If you check the symbols on the tiles, there are actions affecting monasteries, cities and roads... We don't know what those actions may be that you have to chose to stop the uprise of let it be...

I was wondering, why that symbol was different when I saw it for first time. And it was not bad mind, it was really different.
Ok. It looks better and better ;-)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: NGC 54 on November 19, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
Quote
1. Village => placement for toll keeper
"You may only place your tollhouse on top of crossroads. A crossroad is a village with 2-4 roads."
In any case, there is a also a 3-road village, even if there is also a 1 road-village.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 19, 2020, 12:20:11 PM
Yep,... that's why I was pointing out we have a village at the end of the road. First time we see this in our long experience with C2  ;)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: corinthiens13 on November 19, 2020, 12:56:04 PM
Anyway I'm still waiting for expansion which will use Water Tower (in this new are 3 tiles with them). It's always showed in tiles distrubution but none expansion (official or fan) is not using it!

I'm using them as a magic logo (mage & witch) to increase the occurence of mage/witch placement during mega Carcassonne games. ;)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: TheDoctor_13 on November 19, 2020, 03:26:23 PM
Oh this could be cool, gives me something to order for next years tile!
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 19, 2020, 04:20:12 PM
I also suspect that water tower will be a little surprise for next year but who knows...  >:D
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: NGC 54 on November 20, 2020, 06:44:56 AM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12fDUtZA9QdzMlMwkEEfdKbBQuYYys5za/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lpd7pLyX6WwBzz7_iUp6LicJ06pFbch0/view

Step 2. Placing a meeple seems to include a mistranslation ("Du kannst keine Bauern schützen. Diese sind auch nie von Aufständen betroffen." translated as "This meeple has now joined the farmers. Farmers cannot be protected, however they are never affected by peasant revolts.").
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 20, 2020, 07:04:27 AM
Hmm,
interesting rules. It's not Cathars, it's something worse ;-D
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 20, 2020, 07:35:15 AM
Hi Carcassonne93!

Thank you for sharing!  :(y) :(y)

+1 merit from me
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: carlium on November 20, 2020, 07:49:50 AM
Thanks Carcassonne93!

I really like the theme!  8)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Drodo on November 20, 2020, 08:43:48 AM
So this is another Crop Circles but costs VPs to keep the meeples safe, no way to earn extra points.

Shouldn't be too much of an issue if playing with many expansions, but just the base game it could be bad.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 20, 2020, 10:36:25 AM
Shouldn't be too much of an issue if playing with many expansions, but just the base game it could be bad.

Hmm, I don't think. I don't see any problematic issue now. But it's not final result ;-)

Only thing which is different is that meeple can be protected or not.

But I found one:
When will move Dragon - before or after removing unprotected meeples?
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Drodo on November 20, 2020, 10:42:11 AM
The dragon moves after the whole meeple placement action, which includes the "if no meeple was placed, you can move the fairy" action which is similar to how protecting a meeple works, so it should move after protecting them.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 20, 2020, 11:27:42 AM
no way to earn extra points.

well, you can earn 2 points for protected meeple (but it costs you 2 or 4 points before). So you are on zero ;-)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 20, 2020, 11:29:49 AM
Anyway, this exampsion can be described as: Self-destructive expansion ;-)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: DIN0 on November 20, 2020, 12:23:07 PM
Superficialy, it may be interesting to srike a balance and timing between protecting your meeples and getting those 2 points, or placing new meeples. However I feel like it maight prove too situational/rando with no way to predict when the revolt comes. I also feel like this should have been a major expansion ??? 12 tiles is not much for such a global and costly effect - and you still remove three exacerbating both issues. Alas we shall see how it plays out.
Either way, I can add this to my list of "the most agressive version of Carcassonne" >:D (and probably most annoying as well).

Several thoughts:
-you can use negative points to manipulate your scoring meeples and get extra messages
-you can use the revolt to rescue trapped meeples
questions:
-how can you protect abbot i german/dutch/belgian monastery? How can you distinguish a protected monk and protected abbot? 
-does the sentence: "This meeple has now joined the farmers." actually change its designation to framer. Obviosly it still occupies and scores whichever feature, but is it now considered a farmer for the purposes of WoF and Messages?
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: NGC 54 on November 20, 2020, 01:35:12 PM
Quote
"This meeple has now joined the farmers." actually change its designation to framer. Obviosly it still occupies and scores whichever feature, but is it now considered a farmer for the purposes of WoF and Messages?

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/CommentStreams:934107f6c07d358051a40ef3bc32e066.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 20, 2020, 02:16:32 PM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12fDUtZA9QdzMlMwkEEfdKbBQuYYys5za/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lpd7pLyX6WwBzz7_iUp6LicJ06pFbch0/view

Step 2. Placing a meeple seems to include a mistranslation ("Du kannst keine Bauern schützen. Diese sind auch nie von Aufständen betroffen." translated as "This meeple has now joined the farmers. Farmers cannot be protected, however they are never affected by peasant revolts.").

They moved "This meeple has now joined the farmers" one paragraph down. In WICA, I'm moving that sentence back to where it belonged originally.  ;)

I will also remove "however"... It doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: NGC 54 on November 20, 2020, 02:21:46 PM
"This meeple has now joined the farmers." But the meeple is not a farmer. That means that this is an useless sentence.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Drodo on November 20, 2020, 02:23:34 PM
"Join the farmers" is not the same as "become a farmer".

If teachers are protesting in your city, and you agree with them and join them in their protest, are you a teacher too now? No.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: DIN0 on November 20, 2020, 02:35:10 PM
Ok, good. I wasn't really expecting them to become farmers, but you never know.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Whaleyland on November 20, 2020, 03:26:52 PM
It was an ill-advised reference to the fact that the meeples are set down flat. The fact that they then had to qualify it on the next line of the rules suggest it was a bad decision to say it to begin with.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: cicerunner on November 21, 2020, 02:32:53 AM
This is what happens when I don't visit for a few days!

Interesting development. It seemed cundco had genuinely gone quiet on new content as opposed to C2 reissues of C1 content.

The timing is unfortunate for those who made their 2020 promo tile order during Spiele Digital but now fate is smiling on those who missed out then. ;)

Just caught up with the whole thread and the WikiCarpedia page is progressing rapidly already - great job as ever.

I can see this one is not for me personally but I know it's going to bring a lot of joy to many of you! Enjoy.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 23, 2020, 11:29:47 AM
Anyway. I have question.
I know that 99,9999999% this situation will never come, but what if I get Revolt tile during game and I will not able to use this tile - due to not allowed place for this tile.
By basic rules, this tile is removed from game and I get another tile.
Will revolt run?

Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: DIN0 on November 23, 2020, 11:33:21 AM
Anyway. I have question.
I know that 99,9999999% this situation will never come, but what if I get Revolt tile during game and I will not able to use this tile - due to not allowed place for this tile.
By basic rules, this tile is removed from game and I get another tile.
Will revolt run?
Absolutely. The revolt happens before tile placement.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 23, 2020, 11:35:45 AM
Anyway. I have question.
I know that 99,9999999% this situation will never come, but what if I get Revolt tile during game and I will not able to use this tile - due to not allowed place for this tile.
By basic rules, this tile is removed from game and I get another tile.
Will revolt run?
Absolutely. The revolt happens before tile placement.
It was just thninking of algorithm for this expansion.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 23, 2020, 11:38:01 AM
Anyway. I have question.
I know that 99,9999999% this situation will never come, but what if I get Revolt tile during game and I will not able to use this tile - due to not allowed place for this tile.
By basic rules, this tile is removed from game and I get another tile.
Will revolt run?
Absolutely. The revolt happens before tile placement.

Haha, on WiCa footnote #1 is solving this ;-)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 23, 2020, 03:43:18 PM
I do, but I have to be careful when playing with my wife, or I may end up sleeping on the street  ;D
My wife use balcony as my possible final position for night. In mid summer is sometimes better, but I never slept there, meybe she will think that I think that this thread is real ;-)
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Decar on November 24, 2020, 11:28:01 AM
I'm going to split rules questions out from the news.

The rules are clear:

Quote
There will be no official rules for these combinations.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: corinthiens13 on November 26, 2020, 04:06:38 AM
Got it today, it's got indeed cut buildings at the edge's tiles...   :-\
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Decar on November 26, 2020, 04:09:44 AM
Revolting!
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 26, 2020, 05:24:30 AM
The credits on the Expansion read:

Quote
Illustration: Marcel Gröber
Layout: Christof Tisch

So Anne Pätzke didn't participate in the tiles and maybe Marcel Gröber wasn't aware of this little detail until it was too late, if ever. You can also see the difference in style of the revolt symbols... 
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Decar on November 26, 2020, 05:37:06 AM
Still waiting for the tiles here, but would be interested to know if the tiles have been enlarged ("zoomed"), and this is why the cropping doesn't align.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 26, 2020, 05:39:51 AM
They probably weren't designed with the extra safety margin for printing. An issue with the requirements?
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Decar on November 26, 2020, 05:48:20 AM
I'm wondering if they didnt have the originals, and have scanned a tile to resize.  It's a common and minor issue with fan expansions, unless they're scanned from an unpunched tile and doctored.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Decar on November 26, 2020, 05:49:29 AM
Also did they forget to add some peasants to the first tile?
And the one below?!
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Meepledrone on November 26, 2020, 05:54:06 AM
It seems so... Or it was their lunch break...  >:D
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 26, 2020, 06:50:17 AM
Outch. In Slovakia we will tell something like "They should to tap DTP designer's fingers" - meaning with hammer of course.
Title: Re: New mini expansion Carcassonne - The Peasant Revolts on cundco.de
Post by: cicerunner on November 29, 2020, 12:59:29 AM
Revolting!
Indeed!

That's a real shame about the cut buildings and, from the image of the unpunched tiles, it seems clear this is due to poor practice - they haven't followed their own normal practice of including extra border to allow for punching and alignment variation.

From experience do you think cundco will correct this and even replace these flawed copies for all of you that have bought them?