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Carc Central Community => News and Events => Topic started by: jungleboy on February 16, 2015, 11:21:01 AM
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Today, Z-Man Games announced a new edition of Hunters and Gatherers on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/CarcassonneTheBoardGame/photos/a.426642677445387.1073741828.422628254513496/715017501941235/?type=1&theater), which will go on sale in April.
There are no photos of the tiles yet but according to Z-Man, they are "a mix of both style wise. It modernises just a touch, but keeps the "feel" of the previous edition tiles."
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The beard of the man of has no mustache hair. Does the man have a shaver?
I think the graphics from this cover comes from the same graphics artist as for the Carcassonne Edition 2.0 - Chris Quilliams
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The beard of the man of has no mustache hair. Does the man have a shaver?
Sure he does -- that spear he's holding. :)
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If it Included the Scout that would make it tempting but with 2 copies already of H&G, I will probably pass.
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oooohhh c'mon!!! now that I buy the old one?!? >:(
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oooohhh c'mon!!! now that I buy the old one?!? >:(
Same here! But oh well...
It's a great game that deserves to be played by more people so this is definitely a good thing in my opinion! I do wonder if they will release The Scout with it though, otherwise the artwork won't match between the different styles (presumably)?
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It's a great game that deserves to be played by more people so this is definitely a good thing in my opinion! I do wonder if they will release The Scout with it though, otherwise the artwork won't match between the different styles (presumably)?
[beating a dead horse]
But if the backs of the tiles match, it's OK! >:D
[/beating a dead horse]
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It's a great game that deserves to be played by more people so this is definitely a good thing in my opinion! I do wonder if they will release The Scout with it though, otherwise the artwork won't match between the different styles (presumably)?
[beating a dead horse]
But if the backs of the tiles match, it's OK! >:D
[/beating a dead horse]
Very true! Especially if you're playing upside-down underneath a glass table...
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I find it interesting that Zman has responded to almost all other posters on the Facebook page, but not me, who asked about The Scout. I find that suspicious. Are they just scorning me or are they waiting to announce its inclusion for a more formal press release?
The precedent with HiG is mixed. Carcassonne 2 and Winter Edition included in-box expansions (two for each, actually, with Abbot and the animal tiles respectively), South Seas and Gold Rush did not. I'm thinking they'll include it, but you never know. Does the German version of Winter Edition include The Gingerbread Man or is that only the Zman version?
It also begs the question: when they finally reprint The Castle, will it include The Falcon expansion as has been long desired?
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I find it interesting that Zman has responded to almost all other posters on the Facebook page, but not me, who asked about The Scout.
I've asked them about this on Twitter too, but no response there either.
It also begs the question: when they finally reprint The Castle, will it include The Falcon expansion as has been long desired?
I thought the idea of The Falcon belonged to RGG and so would never be released?
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I find it interesting that Zman has responded to almost all other posters on the Facebook page, but not me, who asked about The Scout. I find that suspicious. Are they just scorning me or are they waiting to announce its inclusion for a more formal press release?
I doubt they are waiting for a press release - these days a FB announcement for something like this is going to reach far more people than a press release. Personally I think Scout is being excluded, because they didn't answer you and because we don't see mention of it on the cover art (although that could still be added later I suppose).
I joked above about the tile backs above, but as you yourself have pointed out before with regard to Carcassonne 2, HiG and Z-Man have convinced themselves that tile backs matching and tile fronts not matching is playable. So in their eyes, they don't necessarily need to redo the artwork for Scout. In their view, the existing Scout is comparable with the new H&G.
It also begs the question: when they finally reprint The Castle, will it include The Falcon expansion as has been long desired?
I just bought The Castle with postage from Sweden so it wasn't cheap and I hope I don't have to buy it again just to get the Falcon. So I am still hoping for the Falcon as a stand-alone expansion, but I agree that a reprint of The Castle including the Falcon is probably more likely.
I thought the idea of The Falcon belonged to RGG and so would never be released?
The designer of the expansion said on twitter last year that he hoped to have it released in some form in 2015.
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A week ago I spotted Hunters and Gatherers in one of our web-shops that uses direct delivery from other countries, for 25 EUR. Of course, I immediately ordered one! In couple of hours I had a response from manager: the game is available, but the price has changed, the final price is 133 EUR.
I am Carcassonne fan, but not THAT fan :) Now I will definitely wait for this Z-man release.
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You could inform the manager of the reprint though. That might "slightly" adjust the price again.
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You could inform the manager of the reprint though. That might "slightly" adjust the price again.
I doubt that. She gives distributor prices, not their own. More than that, they still have it on their website! With changed price (23 EUR!!! in English site version) and comment added: "This title is out of print. Used copies may be available, but delivery only inside Baltic States."
http://www.kriso.lv/carcassonne-hunters-gatherers-db-9780971942059.html
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A week ago I spotted Hunters and Gatherers in one of our web-shops that uses direct delivery from other countries, for 25 EUR. Of course, I immediately ordered one! In couple of hours I had a response from manager: the game is available, but the price has changed, the final price is 133 EUR.
I am Carcassonne fan, but not THAT fan :) Now I will definitely wait for this Z-man release.
did you ask me where I found HaG? buy it from spain... is cheap! and it includes king and scout
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did you ask me where I found HaG? buy it from spain... is cheap! and it includes king and scout
Yes, it was me :) And my chatting with local manager was before you posted your purchase and before jungleboy posted information about new version. By the way, I have King and Scout already :)
Now I have a dilemma: by now in Spain or wait for a new version from Z-man ???
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See.. This is what I dislike about Finland and the Finnish way of choosing names for products or movies.... >:(
"Hunter and Gatherer".... I was like.. WHAT is this??? Had to Google it.. and turns out it's the English version of the Finnish "Kivikausi" game... so... The Finns took the name "hunter and gatherer" and changed it into "stone age".... :o So here that game is known as "Stone Age"....... SOOO frustrating.. :o Why not just keep the same name meaning in Finnish? Why go Rambo and change it??
Same thing with movies.. If someone asks me, hey have you seen this and that movie... I cannot say yes unless I Google it first and see what it was called at Finnish.... Coz we change the name to something not even remotely close!!! :o
"Sex and the City" --> "Single Life" (Finnish: sinkkuelämää)
that was just on top of my head... WHY CHANGE ??? :(
Frustrating..
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did you ask me where I found HaG? buy it from spain... is cheap! and it includes king and scout
Yes, it was me :) And my chatting with local manager was before you posted your purchase and before jungleboy posted information about new version. By the way, I have King and Scout already :)
Now I have a dilemma: by now in Spain or wait for a new version from Z-man ???
well... think about what appned with carc and carc 2... :-\
but it's true that the new graphic designer has done a good job with the winter edition (personal opinion)
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Now I have a dilemma: by now in Spain or wait for a new version from Z-man ???
I would wait and see what the new tiles look like and then decide which version you like better.
but it's true that the new graphic designer has done a good job with the winter edition (personal opinion)
I agree with that. I think the winter edition is beautiful.
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Thank goodness I already have H&G and the Scout. I would not want to make the decision over this new artwork.
In general I don't have an issue regarding new artwork for the spin-offs. The expansions for them are limited so the impact is near nil. Messing with the base game though imposes a whole different level of impact.
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Does the German version of Winter Edition include The Gingerbread Man or is that only the Zman version?
The German version of the Winter Edition doesn't include The Gingerbread Man. The mini is only available through the CundCo Shop.
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Does the German version of Winter Edition include The Gingerbread Man or is that only the Zman version?
The German version of the Winter Edition doesn't include The Gingerbread Man. The mini is only available through the CundCo Shop.
And... What about the animals (ZMan's)?
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Does the German version of Winter Edition include The Gingerbread Man or is that only the Zman version?
The German version of the Winter Edition doesn't include The Gingerbread Man. The mini is only available through the CundCo Shop.
And... What about the animals (ZMan's)?
The animals yes. But the were never considered as expansion(probably due to a lack of rules). The only thing that takes them apart from the rest is a diferent tile name.
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ZMG have posted product details on their website. Zmangames.com/product-details.php?id=1713 (http://Zmangames.com/product-details.php?id=1713)
Seems that you get 72 base game tiles (instead of 79 in RGG), 12 bonus tiles, 1 scoreboard, 5 50/100 score tiles, 10 wooden hunts and 10 wooden discs (same as RGG). A big difference is the number of followers: 40 instead of 30 meeple. That means 2 extra followers per person and brings it in line with the usual Carcassonne number of followers.
No mention of Scout but the artwork looks almost identical at the moment... Even the backs!
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I don't like it. They're changing the game, not just changing the art. The game had only five Followers/player for a reason. And the lack of inclusion of the Scout is a big mistake since it's not likely to be printed as a stand alone expansion again. Poor form, HiG. I disapprove. :( :( :(
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I don't like it. They're changing the game, not just changing the art. The game had only five Followers/player for a reason. And the lack of inclusion of the Scout is a big mistake since it's not likely to be printed as a stand alone expansion again. Poor form, HiG. I disapprove. :( :( :(
I'm with you whaley. Sometimes I just scratch my head. ???
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the artwork looks almost identical at the moment... Even the backs!
I think that this actually IS the old artwork. :D Probably they didn't change the picture yet.
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the artwork looks almost identical at the moment... Even the backs!
I think that this actually IS the old artwork. :D Probably they didn't change the picture yet.
That's definitely the old art.
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I don't like it. They're changing the game, not just changing the art. The game had only five Followers/player for a reason. And the lack of inclusion of the Scout is a big mistake since it's not likely to be printed as a stand alone expansion again. Poor form, HiG. I disapprove. :( :( :(
The extra meeples can be easily remedied... but not the scout tiles =(
Is it possible the scout tiles are included in the 12 bonus tiles?
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The twelve bonus tiles are a main component of the game. They aren't extra. The Scout tiles don't belong in the bonus tile pile.
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I reckon, their tile and meeple counts are wrong.
::crossed-fingers::
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I just saw two copies of Hunters and Gatherers Spanish/Portuguese edition, published by Devir, selling on a FNAC stores for about 20EUR.
I believe it included the small expansion.
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Surely it's the one which must collect!
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I just saw two copies of Hunters and Gatherers Spanish/Portuguese edition, published by Devir, selling on a FNAC stores for about 20EUR.
I believe it included the small expansion.
Further to this, I bought the old version from Devir, which includes King and Scout, at a store in Madrid last weekend for €21.60 or thereabouts (which was discounted by 10%). I also remember seeing one in a store in Barcelona late last year, so the old version of Hunters and Gatherers seems to be fairly widely available on the Iberian Peninsula in case people want to snap up the old version.