Vodyanoy traps also Solovey Razboynikov trapped meeples?

[Bumsakalaka]

I think, that if Meeple is traped in any trap - aka Vodyanoy, Solovei Razboynik or Bads (Barber Surgeons), any other trap "retrap" those meeples.
What do you think?
Meeple in trap is not on Board, it's in transparent Sphere located arround trap and in some cases there is a gap when it's possible to escape, but! another trap is not opening that gap ;-)

[Meepledrone]

This could be a good approach but it doesn't solve all the cases.

This issue only affects Vodyanoy, since it affects adjacent tiles...

Who traps the meeple in this case? We have no answer yet... Could we consider that Vodyanoy is more powerful?

[Bumsakalaka]

Yes, this is good situation example.
Anywa, HobbyWorld answered?

[Meepledrone]

Not yet! Sorry.

[Bumsakalaka]

Well According to rules I will go to Solovey
Solovei: If followers occupy a road that goes through the Solovei Razboynik tile (or they occupy roads that are connected to that tile later on in the game), players must move them onto the tile.
Vodyanoy: When a player places this tile adjacent to one or more tiles on the board, all followers from the adjacent tiles are moved onto the Vodyanoy tile. All followers placed on any tile adjacent to the Vodyanoy tile in future turns will also be moved onto the tile.

So, by rules, Solovei has to be solved first, because of wording with "must". Vodyanoy dosn't use this direction.

What do you think?

[Meepledrone]

I translated the rules in Russian with deepl.com where you can play with translated words...

The "must move" from Solovei Razboynik can be changed to "will move". And the "are moved" from Vodyanoy can slaso be changed to "will move"... Cannot tell how direct or forced this can be in both cases. 

I also tried the translation tool on Yandex (Russian Google of sorts):
* "must move" is translated as "are required to move", a little softer
* "are moved" is transalated as "are moved"

Don't know if we have a Russian membee online that can help us...

Here you are the text for both expansions:

Solovei Razboynik:

Если на дорогах, проходящих через квадрат «соловья-разбойника», выставлены (или впоследстви оказываются) фишки, игроки обязаны переставить их на квадрат «соловья-разбойника».
Фишки остаются на квадрате «соловья-разбойника» до конца игры.
В свой ход, вместо выставления фишки, игрок может вернуть свою фишку с квадрата «соловья-разбойника» в запас.

Vodyanoy:

Когда кто-то из игроков присоединит квадрат «водяного» к уже выложенному квадрату, все фишки с соседних квадратов перемещаются на квадрат «водяного». В процесе игры также все фишки с соседних квадратов будут перемещаться на квадрат «водяного».
Фишки остаются на квадрате «водяного» до конца игры. В конце игры при подсчёте очков вы теряете 2 победных очка За каждую фишку, находящуюся на квадрате «водяного». В свой ход, вместо выставления фишки, игрок может вернуть свою фишку с квадрата «водяного» в запас.

[Bumsakalaka]

Solovei rules used word:

обязаны

This means are obligated / must.

So but another question is
Can dragon move to trap tile and eat all of meeples trapped there?

By logic of trap I will not allow it, but I didn't find any information about it in rules of Russian Promos, nor in Dragon C1/C2.
Question about it is also for Barber Surgeons which is also kind of trap.

[corinthiens13]

Can dragon move to trap tile and eat all of meeples trapped there?

By logic of trap I will not allow it, but I didn't find any information about it in rules of Russian Promos, nor in Dragon C1/C2.
Question about it is also for Barber Surgeons which is also kind of trap.

I'd say a dragon can trap and eat such meeples. Dragon isn't part of the figures that can be trapped, so a dragon can go on solovei or vodyanoy's tiles, as well as on a bathhouse's tile.

And a dragon eats every flesh made figures on every tiles he goes on, so he eats those on solovei, vodyanoy and bathhouse. I'd apply this for tower capture too 

Also, can a fairy be associated with a meeple on solovei/vodyanoy/bathhouse? And can they receive points from circus? Are they counted for Darmstadt churches bonus?
I'd say yes to all of those questions, a comment in WICA's tower page tends to this conclusion.

all meeples on neighbouring tiles should be considered no matter the feature they are on (a regular feature, a castle, a tower, a bathhouse, a Vodyanoy lake, a Solovei Razboynik tree...)

Anyway, a clarification is missing in WICA for the interaction between dragon/tower/fairy/circus/Darmstadt and solovei/vodyanoy/bathhouse.

[Bumsakalaka]

Well, I think it will need som open interpretation of the rules.

Meeple in Castle, City of Carcassonne, Leipzig are protected from Dragon attack.

Meeple on Tower is not in similar possition like meeple in Trap.

Darmstaft Bonus is only for meeples in Church, so after traping them, no one get's bonus.

Big Top scoring is different situation BUT very interesting issue ;-)

[corinthiens13]

Well, I think it will need som open interpretation of the rules.

Meeple in Castle, City of Carcassonne, Leipzig are protected from Dragon attack.

Yes, as well as WoF's crown, because those are not considered as tiles, they are not only protected, the dragon can't go inside those features.

Darmstaft Bonus is only for meeples in Church, so after traping them, no one get's bonus.

Darmstadt bonus is for "the player who has the most followers on the church tile and the 8 surrounding tiles". If yellow owns the church and has no other meeple around, but red has two meeples on the neighboring tiles, red gets 3 bonus points from the church, even if he has no meeple on the church itself. But what if both of red's meeples are on Solovei Razboynik?

[Meepledrone]

Any meeple on a tile is at the mercy of the dragon, towers and Vodyanoy...

Those special areas unaware of the tile grid, so to speak, become unreachable: an Exp. 8 castle, the crown of WoF, the cities of Carcassonne and Leipzig, the school. These are the space-time bubbles we've got.