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Carc Central Community => General => Topic started by: jungleboy on January 18, 2016, 02:24:12 AM
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The Completionism Poll is a weekly series where we ask how much of a completionist you are by breaking the game down into different expansions and elements. This week we look at the Crop Circles, also known as the Corn Circles.
For the main game of Carcassonne, there are two versions of this expansion: Crop Circles I and Crop Circles II (there is also a new Crop Circles expansion for the Winter Edition, but because this is a spin-off game, it is being left out of this poll).
Crop Circles I was originally released as a bonus expansion attached to copies of the base game in 2010. It was later available separately, but not anymore, and it is now one of the rarest expansions for Carcassonne. Crop Circles II is the 7th mini-expansion: if you buy the six 2012 minis, each of them contains one tile for Crop Circles II; therefore if you buy all six, you have the complete mini-expansion Crop Circles II. The two sets have the same rules but the tile configurations are different.
For those players who have Crop Circles II and not Crop Circles I, how much are you willing to pay for Crop Circles I? For example, would you pay a similar price as for the Tunnels, or does the fact that there is also Crop Circles II mean that you wouldn't pay a high price for Crop Circles I?
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Will vote when I get to a PC. I'd love to have CC 1, especially because of the other configurations. I'll probably end up settling for a 2nd copy of CC 2 though at least to make Mega Carcs more interesting.
And to answer your question yes tunnels would be higher up for me on the order of things to make a complete collection.
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I managed to get Crop Circles I without paying too high a price. I paid more for Tunnels, so in that respect Tunnels was higher up my list. If I didn't have Crop Circles I, Tunnels would have been more important as at least you have some tiles with Crop Circles II, unlike the Tunnel.
I like having both though, as I do see them as separate expansions, given the different tile configurations. I also have the Winter Crop Circles on the way!
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I voted that Crop Circles II is enough for me. I don't have Crop Circles I but I still consider my collection to be 'complete'. If I came across Crop Circles I at a good price I might get it, but I don't actively look for it and I wouldn't pay what I paid for the Tunnels or even the Cathars.
So after two weeks of these completionism polls I am already being inconsistent with my votes. For some reason, having all three versions of Cathars/Siege/Besiegers is important to me but having both versions of Crop Circles is not important to me.
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I own several copies of Corn II. As for what I am willing to pay for Corn I, it depends on the time of the day (or night) and how drunk I am. :-X
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I own them both. I got CC 1 waayyy back sometime.
If I didn't have CC 2 (or 1 for that matter) it would bother my completionist side. I would likely consider paying up to $24 for it, which would be $4 a tile.
BTW, the compleitionist side of me is on edge every time we include one of the rarities in a game. I feel like I want to sleeve them all. :)
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BTW, the compleitionist side of me is on edge every time we include one of the rarities in a game. I feel like I want to sleeve them all. :)
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Good to know, just in case I want to bring some chocolate mousse next time we play with CC1 at your place :)
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BTW, the compleitionist side of me is on edge every time we include one of the rarities in a game. I feel like I want to sleeve them all. :)
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Good to know, just in case I want to bring some chocolate mousse next time we play with CC1 at your place :)
The worst in my group are the chips. Greasy, salty and smelly fingers touching my tiles. Uh-uh.
I have a strict policy not allowing food or beverages in the same room when we play. Even fruit is not allowed.
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I chose second option (I only own Crop Circles II but I also want Crop Circles I), but immediately regretted, as I remembered that I own Crop Circles I, though Russian edition (from Russian compilation of expansions, with "K" on the back).
But if the price will be appropriate (below 10 EUR), I am ready to own it as English version :D
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I have both in my collection but I wouldn't have paid as much for it as I did unless the money was going to charity. I got my copy in the Jack Vasel memorial auction on BGG 2014 and paid $52 (approx. £36) for it which is £9 per tile - far higher than I am happy to pay for an expansion usually but as it was for charity I was happy to get a rare expansion and support people who are part of the gaming community who have suffered personal hardship.
I think that they add a great dynamic to the game and having more of them just means they make more of an impact and, in my experience, help to balance out who gets to choose the action over the duration of the game.
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I own both, and I also own an unopened base-game box with a sticker on it that says it includes Corn Circles (but I'm not sure what the difference is between this and the later release that came through Cundco). Plus the Russian version. Plus the W/E Crop Circles of course.
2 or 3 years ago I remember seeing copies of Corn Circles 2 selling on eBay which seemed odd because the 6 tiles were in a frame rather than individual tiles out of the 6 mini expansions. I was never sure whether this was just somebody trying to sell their own home-made version of the expansion, but I've half a memory I spotted the same thing on Cundco which confirmed that it was genuine. Never bought it though. :(
Although this (CC1) seems to be the most difficult classic Carc expansion to get hold of at the moment, I've never really been able to use it to any great effect in any of the games I've played in which it's been included. This said, I've always found Tunnels kind of boring too, despite the high prices it commands.
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2 or 3 years ago I remember seeing copies of Corn Circles 2 selling on eBay which seemed odd because the 6 tiles were in a frame rather than individual tiles out of the 6 mini expansions. I was never sure whether this was just somebody trying to sell their own home-made version of the expansion, but I've half a memory I spotted the same thing on Cundco which confirmed that it was genuine. Never bought it though. :(
That indeed sounds odd at first but it does make sense when you think about it. The minis came in small tuckboxes, not in punchable sheets. But it makes perfect sense that the CCII tiles were originally printed in sheets of six an then punched at added to each specific mini tuck box. But let me tell you: if you think that you need to own an unpunched sheet of CCII tiles in addition to the ones that came with the minis, then you really have completionism issues :)
Although this (CC1) seems to be the most difficult classic Carc expansion to get hold of at the moment, I've never really been able to use it to any great effect in any of the games I've played in which it's been included. This said, I've always found Tunnels kind of boring too, despite the high prices it commands.
Whether or not CC1 or the Tunnels or anything else is actually a good expansion for game-play or even for artistic purposes is a topic for another thread, but I think it does bring up an interesting point. For many of us, we collect everything Carcassonne (or almost everything) not necessarily to play with, but just for the act of collecting itself - just like other people might collect stamps or coins or baseball cards. The difference here is that we can actually do something with what we're collecting (i.e. play it), rather than just look at it or swap it. But in the end, it's still collecting. So to put it another way: I was also never really interested in Tunnels as part of Carcassonne: The Game, but eventually I was interested in it for Carcassonne: The Collection. So I paid quite a bit for it (about €45, if I remember correctly) purely for its 'collecting value' and not its game value. But I've managed to convince myself that CCI has no collecting value or game value, and therefore I'm not really seeking it.
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I am willing to pay what will be neccesary for Crop circles I
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I own only II (+ the Crop Circle Halfling), and won't bother getting more for several reasons:
1) I'm not very much in the "theme" of this regarding Carcassonne. The mechanism is quite appealing, I joined a few games on JCZ with it and sure will play it once in a wile on the table, but I don't think it will hit the table that often.
2) Whaleyland once pointed out, that he played with both expansions in one game, and found them overpowered with 12 tiles.
3) Plus, I'm not a completionist. I don't bother getting expansions, I'm not remotely interesting in playing like Catapult, Wheel of Time or Windroses. (I never turned down a game on JCZ, if somebody wanted to play with Windroses, but I see no point in this expansion.)
4) The current price would probably turn me down on an expansion, I really would like to have. It definitely turns me down on Tunnels.
5) I consider the tile with 3 roads, looking like a branching road without roundabout, "broken" in design. Glad, they replaced it in CCII.
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I have CC II. I need CC I. Depends what bid is required on Ebay with 20 seconds to go.
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Some great points Hounk!
5) I consider the tile with 3 roads, looking like a branching road without roundabout, "broken" in design. Glad, they replaced it in CCII.
I'm not crazy about crop circle artwork in general, but CCII has one of my 5 favourite tiles in the whole Carcassonne series:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160118/afe1b655e7d7dd923bcbef3dc183c470.jpg)
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5) I consider the tile with 3 roads, looking like a branching road without roundabout, "broken" in design. Glad, they replaced it in CCII.
Much easier to consider it as "broken" in the rules and to simply replace the rule with a house-rule that makes sense (i.e. that there is no road ending at this junction)!
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5) I consider the tile with 3 roads, looking like a branching road without roundabout, "broken" in design. Glad, they replaced it in CCII.
Which one are referring to? Is it the FRRR in CC1 that is all one road, or the FRRR in CC2 that is two roads? Why do you think it's a broken design?
BTW, the compleitionist side of me is on edge every time we include one of the rarities in a game. I feel like I want to sleeve them all. :)
:(y)
Good to know, just in case I want to bring some chocolate mousse next time we play with CC1 at your place :)
Ha - I knew it would be you! haha ;)
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I have them both. Crop Circles I was the last expansion that I found when I was first amassing my collection, though there have been lots of new ones released since then!
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I picked up Die Kornkreise sometime between November 2010 and November 2011, according to my email history. Not sure where I got it but I feel it was via BGG Market or CarcCentral. I consider the two "paired expansions" much like The River I and II or Halflings I and II. They are designed to be entirely separate expansions with separate tile arrangements, but they use the same rules. Because of that, I consider both absolutely necessary for a complete set. They are different tiles, so they are different expansions, so they are both required. I was lucky to get my copy when I did, and I really hope such a situation arises for the Winter Edition Corn Circles since I wasn't able to nab that when I planned to and now it's possibly too late. It remains the only expansion for any English- or German-language Carcassonne game that I do not (yet) have.
Regarding a few other points people have made: I always will consider that three-prong road a continuous Road. No feature separates it, so therefore it is continuous. No amount of official clarification from Hans im Glück will change my mind on that.
Framed versions of Corn Circles II appeared in Big Box 4 (as well as framed versions of all six minis). That is probably where people picked up those tiles in frames. All editions of Corn Circles I were in frames.
I quite like Tunnels. It adds very little to the game but I think they look cool and I also think they add a much-needed ability to Roads by making them enter and exit in vastly different places. I never play with the rule that tunnels from Princess & Dragon or other expansions count as "Tunnels". I feel that's just silly—they don't look the same and it's quite clear where those tunnels enter and exit.
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I quite like Tunnels. It adds very little to the game but I think they look cool and I also think they add a much-needed ability to Roads by making them enter and exit in vastly different places. I never play with the rule that tunnels from Princess & Dragon or other expansions count as "Tunnels". I feel that's just silly—they don't look the same and it's quite clear where those tunnels enter and exit.
I enjoy Tunnels a great deal, but play the same way as quoted in that roads from other expansions that happen to go underground do not count. It looks odd if you tunnel token one of those and it makes no sense.
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I don't have CC1 and I consider it the only essential expansion that I don't have. However, that said, I won't pay an arm and a leg for it. Not more than a few dollars.
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Regarding a few other points people have made:
Thanks as always for your great insights.
They are designed to be entirely separate expansions with separate tile arrangements, but they use the same rules. Because of that, I consider both absolutely necessary for a complete set. They are different tiles, so they are different expansions, so they are both required.
I don't see it that way myself, but of course that's the point of this series. The way I see it, if I want to play a game with Crop Circles, I can (because I have CCII). So that's enough for me. I guess what it comes down to for me as we've seen with Cathars etc and will see with Windroses and Shrines, is that if I feel the expansion is extraordinary, I'll get all sets. If I don't, I'll be happy with just one.
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I consider it in a similar way to German monasteries and Dutch monasteries. Same rules , different tiles
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I consider it in a similar way to German monasteries and Dutch monasteries. Same rules , different tiles
Funny. I consider that to be completely different because of the unique nature of the national monastery/castles/cathedral tiles. In other words, I consider Dutch monasteries to be essential but CCI not to be.
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But whether you play with Dutch or German monasteries makes absolutely no difference to game play. A game play completionist would only get one of them.
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But whether you play with Dutch or German monasteries makes absolutely no difference to game play. A game play completionist would only get one of them.
Right. But in this case I'm in it for unique art of the monasteries and the 'travel' aspect, whereas CC just has regular features plus crop circles.
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I own both.
CC-I came with my copy of base Carc. And CC-II came with the minis, so yeah. Actually prefer playing with both copies at the same time. Makes it feel more like an expansion and not some random interruptions.
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Actually prefer playing with both copies at the same time. Makes it feel more like an expansion and not some random interruptions.
That's an interesting point. It lets the expansion shine, so to speak. It's true that the club circles that are tied to roads don't usually have much of an impact unless you're playing with inns, so it's just the farm and city circles that are important. And if they're drawn early on, they lose much of their value. So yeah, I can see how using 12 tiles instead of 6 has its benefits here.
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...I always will consider that three-prong road a continuous Road. No feature separates it, so therefore it is continuous. No amount of official clarification from Hans im Glück will change my mind on that.
I may have missed something...was there a clarification that stated this was three roads and not one?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/dku3d1ngazvfo05/crop%20circle%201%20011916.jpg/?dl=1)
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CC-I came with my copy of base Carc.
Do you happen to remember if your copy of the base game looked like this at all Khonnor:
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/Carc_CC_Box.jpg)
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/Carc_CC_Sticker.jpg)
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That box art is interesting. Is that supposed to be an Alien meeple on the Korn-Kreise badge? I though the implication of aliens was an odd conclusion we all drew, rather than something that was actually embraced by HIG.
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That box art is interesting. Is that supposed to be an Alien meeple on the Korn-Kreise badge? I though the implication of aliens was an odd conclusion we all drew, rather than something that was actually embraced by HIG.
I'm not 100% convinced it's genuine. Just bought it on the off chance really as I knew I'd regret it if I didn't.
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...I always will consider that three-prong road a continuous Road. No feature separates it, so therefore it is continuous. No amount of official clarification from Hans im Glück will change my mind on that.
I may have missed something...was there a clarification that stated this was three roads and not one?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/dku3d1ngazvfo05/crop%20circle%201%20011916.jpg/?dl=1)
There has (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2028).
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Great photo Dan, good to see our friend hiding in a bush too.
That meeple reminds me of the fellow in the Zman rule book:
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I only have the CCII, but depending on my bank balance at a given day I'd pay 15Eur for the CCI.
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I only have the CCII, but depending on my bank balance at a given day I'd pay 15Eur for the CCI.
So, if your balance was €16? :)
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I only have the CCII, but depending on my bank balance at a given day I'd pay 15Eur for the CCI.
So, if your balance was €16? :)
I would pay 15Eur and take a coffee with the rest, today I can only go for the coffee. :)
So it's not a good day to try and sell me a copy. ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
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1€ Coffee??!?! I'm getting ripped off over here
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I have both of them and am happy with it, because else I needed to go on a hunt for CCI. In my opinion these seem to be two different expansions (same as with the cathars and co...)
BTW, the compleitionist side of me is on edge every time we include one of the rarities in a game. I feel like I want to sleeve them all. :)
:(y)
Good to know, just in case I want to bring some chocolate mousse next time we play with CC1 at your place :)
The worst in my group are the chips. Greasy, salty and smelly fingers touching my tiles. Uh-uh.
I have a strict policy not allowing food or beverages in the same room when we play. Even fruit is not allowed.
Haha. I absolutly can agree with you. I also don't allow chips, still beverages (mostly tea and water) are allowed. :)
2 or 3 years ago I remember seeing copies of Corn Circles 2 selling on eBay which seemed odd because the 6 tiles were in a frame rather than individual tiles out of the 6 mini expansions. I was never sure whether this was just somebody trying to sell their own home-made version of the expansion, but I've half a memory I spotted the same thing on Cundco which confirmed that it was genuine. Never bought it though. :(
That indeed sounds odd at first but it does make sense when you think about it. The minis came in small tuckboxes, not in punchable sheets. But it makes perfect sense that the CCII tiles were originally printed in sheets of six an then punched at added to each specific mini tuck box. But let me tell you: if you think that you need to own an unpunched sheet of CCII tiles in addition to the ones that came with the minis, then you really have completionism issues :)
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The riddle is simply solved in telling you that theese people were selling the Big Box versions of the CCII and the other Minis. ;) Stil, whaleyland was faster with his answer.
1€ Coffee??!?! I'm getting ripped off over here
LOL. We all are being ripped off for our coffees. In Sicily I used to pay 0,5 € for my Espressi. ^-^
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1€ Coffee??!?! I'm getting ripped off over here
LOL. We all are being ripped off for our coffees. In Sicily I used to pay 0,5 € for my Espressi. ^-^
Sorry Decar and Safari but the 1€ coffee was just for mathematics effect. In any small street café here you will pay between 0,5€ to 0,8€ for an Expresso and not that crappy watery stuff you drink around (northern) Europe.
If you pay 1€ it's already on an upscale by the sea with nice view café.
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It's £1.35 for an Expresso here :(
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It's £1.35 for an Expresso here :(
And that's £1.50 too much for me... all coffee is the strainings of Satan's undershorts.
<runs>
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It's £1.35 for an Expresso here :(
And that's £1.50 too much for me... all coffee is the strainings of Satan's undershorts.
<runs>
I'll toast to that. Beer, Wine, and Tea, too. Leave me with a Monster Energy Drink every few days, and that's all I need. I've probably saved thousands not drinking coffee, tea, wine, or beer.
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I'll toast to that. Beer, Wine, and Tea, too. Leave me with a Monster Energy Drink every few days, and that's all I need. I've probably saved thousands not drinking coffee, tea, wine, or beer.
There's no need to take it to unreasonable extremes :D Eschewing beer and tea indeed. Some people... :)
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I "only" have the CCII, but thats enough for me.
We don't use them often, and mostly only for the tiles with no action of the circles.
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I own both. Damn OCD made my pay a lot to get CC1 (although not as much as Tunnel)
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I own both. Damn OCD made my pay a lot to get CC1 (although not as much as Tunnel)
Define 'a lot'? Would it be the cost of a coffee or a mortgage?
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I own both. Damn OCD made my pay a lot to get CC1 (although not as much as Tunnel)
Define 'a lot'? Would it be the cost of a coffee or a mortgage?
Let's say that with what I paid for CC1 and Tunnel I could have bought a Big Box + a regular game emoji code29]
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So, after one week there have been 38 votes. Of these, 30 people (over 75%) say that they already own both versions of the Crop Circles or think that they need to own both for a complete collection.
The poll will stay open and any future discussion of Crop Circles in terms of ownership/completionism is welcome in this thread, while for discussion of Crop Circles in terms of gameplay, head over to The Corn Circles - Element of the Week #19 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1457).
The new Completionism Poll for this week is Completionism Poll #3: The River (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2376.msg33696#new).
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I am willing to pay what will be neccesary for Crop circles I
And I already have it ! O0 Only costed 100 euros. I was expecting more :P :gray-meeple: :orange-meeple: :black1-meeple: