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Title: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Decar on April 13, 2016, 11:49:13 PM
Just thought I'd share this one with you all - An opportunity to own Mage and Witch.  It's super RAR!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carcassonne-Mini-5-Mage-and-Witch-/282004170236?hash=item41a8c225fc:g:xUQAAOSwG-1W0uWq

The tiles are an order of magnitude more expensive than usual.

I hold no responsibility for the stupidity of the person ordering it  :(y)
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: SRBO on April 14, 2016, 12:03:06 AM
I am really wondering, why he actually believes someone would buy this..
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: danisthirty on April 14, 2016, 12:35:50 AM
It's the $157.46 import duty that's causing me to hold off for now... ::)
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: jungleboy on April 14, 2016, 01:44:04 AM
There are 3 available. Maybe he'll do you a deal of 3 for an even $2000!


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Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Rosco on April 14, 2016, 01:50:26 AM
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Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: yimhj on April 14, 2016, 02:27:01 AM
I'm searching the 8 tiles of this Mini Expansion, the last I missed (I have ordered the two wood pieces from Cundco but I don't order the tiles because I've read the warning of no ordering entire expansion !!!) but, it's a bit to heavy for me.

If someone has these 8 tiles spare...
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: SRBO on April 14, 2016, 02:32:00 AM
it's available on quite a lot places  ???
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: hunnymonster on April 14, 2016, 02:37:41 AM
it's available on quite a lot places  ???

That's what I thought - and http://www.auravita.com/carcassonne-mini-expansion-5-mage-witch/pMDSG11533 was the first link I followed to find it at an elevated but not obscene price.

Don't buy from Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carcassonne-Mini-Mage-Witch-Games/dp/B00S5VJII6) though    :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Decar on April 14, 2016, 02:40:20 AM
I almost picked up some dutch versions of these the othe week. Might be worth looking for thise if you're not worried about language.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: yimhj on April 14, 2016, 04:55:46 AM
I don't mind the language of the box but, all that I found had expansive price or enormous shipping. If you have some adress Decar, I will thank you.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Decar on April 14, 2016, 05:02:07 AM
I might have a spare copy of this - but I will have to check tonight - are you after anything else?

The cheapest placed I found in the UK wanted £9.50 for European shipping!
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: yimhj on April 14, 2016, 05:30:06 AM
It's always the same matter, the shipping !
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Decar on April 14, 2016, 05:32:35 AM
shipping a small box to france shouldn't cost more than £2.50 - I've sent plenty to members before and it's rarely more than this for a small packet.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: yimhj on April 14, 2016, 05:58:35 AM
It would be nice. The others expansions I don't have yet are The Tunnel, Crop Circles I, The plague, German Monasteries, Darmstadt, Spiel 2014 and 2015.
Are you looking for something that you don't have yet ? I can send you a set of barrels and wheat that my brother made for future exchange.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: totor66 on May 09, 2016, 03:16:19 AM
Looks like we beat you in France ;)

https://www.amazon.fr/Carcassonne-Mini-Mage-Witch-Games/dp/B00S5VJII6/ref=sr_1_52?s=toys&ie=UTF8&qid=1462788819&sr=1-52&keywords=carcassonne

Over 1712 € there !
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Decar on May 19, 2016, 02:23:09 PM
This seller has made several hundred euros selling illegal counterfeit tiles.  This is their best auction to date.  Please take a few minutes to report the violation.

Duplicates of at least 9 of Hans Im Gluck's expansions:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-Set-uber-200-Plattchen-z-B-Tunnel-Kornkreise-der-Acker-Reiter-/262444563754?hash=item3d1aea3d2a:g:Gh0AAOSwYmZXIz0j
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Andrew the Ambo on May 20, 2016, 01:26:28 AM
Not doubting you, but how do you know they are fakes.

Is there anything that we can look out for that gives it away?

If it was a case of many sales, maybe he has a good source of second hand games.

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Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: asparagus on May 20, 2016, 02:00:39 AM
Not doubting you, but how do you know they are fakes.

I doubt these are fakes. A previous sale, http://www.ebay.de/itm/Rote-Fliegenklatschen-Erw-Carcassonne-inoffiziell-Neuer-Weg-Hans-im-Glueck-/262308312285?nma=true&si=U0L0cjxJOdUD9ppVJ%252Fc6xMKZP2A%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Rote-Fliegenklatschen-Erw-Carcassonne-inoffiziell-Neuer-Weg-Hans-im-Glueck-/262308312285?nma=true&si=U0L0cjxJOdUD9ppVJ%252Fc6xMKZP2A%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557) is clearly marked unofficial. It might be illegal but it's not a fake.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Decar on May 20, 2016, 02:21:06 AM
Well partly, it's knowledge the tiles are not official HiG tiles - it's also illegal to profit from any fan-made tiles as the artwork belongs to HiG.

Secondly, it's looking at the pictures.  It's pretty clear they're printed on a laser printer and stuck on with a glue-stick...Check the corners out:
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: asparagus on May 20, 2016, 02:29:36 AM
Well partly, it's knowledge the tiles are not official HiG tiles - it's also illegal to profit from any fan-made tiles as the artwork belongs to HiG.

Secondly, it's looking at the pictures.  It's pretty clear they're printed on a laser printer and stuck on with a glue-stick...Check the corners out:

I agree with everything you say here. What you have not established is that the tiles in your original post are fake.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Decar on May 20, 2016, 05:07:50 AM
Bit more time over lunch time to highlight some of the tiles which stand out and look odd to me.  Now certainly it could be combination of poor camera work, unlucky lighting and possibly some aliasing/compression artefacts when uploading the photos.  But I don't think this seller should be given much benefit-of-the-doubt given his previous selling history.

My picture is 10MB - so here is a link: DodgyTiles.png (http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/general/DodgyTiles.png).

I collected some links last year in December, and informed HiG, which seem to have disappeared now, but they were all counterfeit or marked as fan-expansions or inoffizielle:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterungen-Schweineherde-Landzunge-Hans-im-Gluck-/262196044812?hash=item3d0c1a240c:g:ATAAAOSwl9BWNLvQ
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiziell-Tunnel-Sonderkarten-Regelerweiterung-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120736810?hash=item3d079d082a:g:51cAAOSwo6lWNK24
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiziell-Kornkreise-Tunnel-der-Dom-inkl-Regel-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115941655?hash=item3d0753dd17:g:utYAAOSwgNRV8Xs4
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-See-und-Angler-La-Porxada-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115952816?hash=item3d075408b0:g:1uUAAOSwAodWFRA3
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-See-und-Angler-Hans-im-Gluck-/262082514697?hash=item3d0555cf09:g:1uUAAOSwAodWFRA3
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiz-Erweiterungen-Neue-Moglichkeiten-Kornkreise-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115934285?hash=item3d0753c04d:g:7csAAOSwN81WEkgS
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Sonderkarten-Belagerer-Neues-Kloster-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120735237?hash=item3d079d0205:g:WQ4AAOSwA4dWNLqH
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-Reiter-Waldhutte-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120776810?hash=item3d079da46a:g:1qcAAOSwAYtWNLmh

And with regard to marking the files as 'inoffizielle' that doesn't make it ok.  Here is a link to an offical HiG Statement Kettlefish/MJHarper translated for us many months ago:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=87.0

Edit: sorry should have added:  Some of the circles, to me: show printer head-lines
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: asparagus on May 20, 2016, 05:16:26 AM
Bit more time over lunch time to highlight some of the tiles which stand out and look odd to me.  Now certainly it could be combination of poor camera work, unlucky lighting and possibly some aliasing/compression artefacts when uploading the photos.  But I don't think this seller should be given much benefit-of-the-doubt given his previous selling history.

My picture is 10MB - so here is a link: DodgyTiles.png (http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/general/DodgyTiles.png).

I collected some links last year in December, and informed HiG, which seem to have disappeared now, but they were all counterfeit or marked as fan-expansions or inoffizielle:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterungen-Schweineherde-Landzunge-Hans-im-Gluck-/262196044812?hash=item3d0c1a240c:g:ATAAAOSwl9BWNLvQ
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiziell-Tunnel-Sonderkarten-Regelerweiterung-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120736810?hash=item3d079d082a:g:51cAAOSwo6lWNK24
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiziell-Kornkreise-Tunnel-der-Dom-inkl-Regel-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115941655?hash=item3d0753dd17:g:utYAAOSwgNRV8Xs4
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-See-und-Angler-La-Porxada-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115952816?hash=item3d075408b0:g:1uUAAOSwAodWFRA3
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-See-und-Angler-Hans-im-Gluck-/262082514697?hash=item3d0555cf09:g:1uUAAOSwAodWFRA3
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiz-Erweiterungen-Neue-Moglichkeiten-Kornkreise-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115934285?hash=item3d0753c04d:g:7csAAOSwN81WEkgS
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Sonderkarten-Belagerer-Neues-Kloster-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120735237?hash=item3d079d0205:g:WQ4AAOSwA4dWNLqH
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-Reiter-Waldhutte-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120776810?hash=item3d079da46a:g:1qcAAOSwAYtWNLmh
I am somewhat more convinced now. I assume you will report it seeing how much work you've put into this.

And with regard to marking the files as 'inoffizielle' that doesn't make it ok.  Here is a link to an offical HiG Statement Kettlefish/MJHarper translated for us many months ago:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=87.0

Edit: sorry should have added:  Some of the circles, to me: show printer head-lines

I never said the  'inoffizielle' made it okay - just not fake. There is a difference between illegal for copyright reasons (still theft of course) and downright fraudulent. And the photos looked genuine to me on the original link, worn maybe but okay. I'm actually totally shocked that anybody thinks they can make money by counterfeiting Carcassonne tiles. I mean you can still buy old arts base set from cundco.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Decar on May 20, 2016, 05:44:48 AM
I think everyone should, take the time to be reporting him - no action has been taken and I've seen him sell a very dodgy tunnels for >40Euros.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Hounk on May 20, 2016, 06:11:23 AM
He claims, that the Spielbox expansions (+ Porxada) are "reprints, so that they match the colour of the original game". So yes, they are not the original tiles and sticker. He also claims, that the sale is "permissioned by HiG", which is sure a lie.
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Der Verkauf erfolgt mit Genehmigung des Hans-im-Glück-Verlages.
Same disclamer is added to this auction (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Die-Baumeister-Mittelalter-Carcassonne-Windrosen-inoffizielle-Erweiterungen-/262444582240?hash=item3d1aea8560:g:Hm4AAOSwUgNXPZ77), which also includes reprints on stickers of Wind-roses and Pigheard, so the person probably had negative experiences or at least some notifications regarding the illegal kind of these sales before.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: asparagus on May 20, 2016, 07:47:17 AM
I emailed HiG. However I got the following automated response:

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E-Mails an diese Adresse werden wegen Urlaub bis einschließlich zum 27. Mai nicht gelesen.

So holiday until the 27th which, I suppose leaves it to Ebay.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: kettlefish on May 22, 2016, 01:11:50 AM
I've send also emails to HiG about this ebay seller.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Clownfeet on June 02, 2016, 04:20:39 AM
I think this guy might be delusional. He had some keyflower promo tiles for sale for USD100 - i emailed him and said noone will EVER pay that, i'll give you 30 including postage (and i was really pushing the boat out there) and he said no way. They were on for a month and noone bought any of the 10 he had!

Today he puts on school carcasonne sets for nearly 100 dollars!!!! who would EVER pay that?!

you can buy them from cundco for 2.99

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CARCASSONNE-SCHOOL-Card-Expansion-Promo-Preorder-Bonus-Boardgame-die-Schule-/172226880117?hash=item281985a275:g:kl4AAOSwvg9XTz8l
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Decar on June 06, 2016, 07:35:56 AM
The only interesting thing about that ebay, is the rules list: "The School" and are in English, until now I thought the rules were only printed in German under the 'Die Schule' title.  But you can order it from Z-man's shop online.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: JoeSesquipedalian on June 06, 2016, 01:44:35 PM
Not Ebay, but Amazon has 'great deals' too!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SXOR08K/ref=s9_simh_gw_g21_i2_r?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=0YTPENXNXE2ZX6G44KPC&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=b2f7ca14-9d6b-4341-8eb1-a70e22819d56&pf_rd_i=desktop
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: ny1050220 on June 06, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
Oh my... I can't even buy an expansion not eating or drinking for two months... >:(
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Clownfeet on June 07, 2016, 06:17:41 AM
is this real? like has someone actually set the price at 4k for that? or is it just simply that its hard to find and so its like an algorithm thats set that price?
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: hunnymonster on June 07, 2016, 06:50:39 AM
Probably that the seller either doesn't have any and is awaiting stock - or that they're on vacation.

Why do I say that? Well - when you list on Amazon (or eBay) you pay a listing fee... you can update your prices for free but to close a listing and reopen it later you get charged a fee. So you ratchet the price up high enough that nobody would ever buy it then when you're back from holidays or you have the stock you put it back to a "normal" level for free. Otherwise you pay a listing fee.
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: Clownfeet on June 07, 2016, 09:36:43 AM
ah ok, thats what i was looking for. Because surely no one in their right mind would list that at 4k. i mean, i know the first print P+D are tough to find but still...4k!
Title: Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
Post by: MrNumbers on June 09, 2016, 05:20:28 AM
Not Ebay, but Amazon has 'great deals' too!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SXOR08K/ref=s9_simh_gw_g21_i2_r?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=0YTPENXNXE2ZX6G44KPC&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=b2f7ca14-9d6b-4341-8eb1-a70e22819d56&pf_rd_i=desktop

This isn't the only offer:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2315.msg34291#msg34291