Quote from: Meepledrone on August 30, 2019, 08:15:03 AMBear also in mind that Fruit actions take place during the 2. Placing a Meeple phase while the placement of a meeple on the castle happens during the 3. Scoring phase. Thus the "timing" is not right even if you build the castle on the same tile as the meeple. In any case you would perform the Fruit action after placing the tile but before you place the castle and the meeple on it.Agreed !
Bear also in mind that Fruit actions take place during the 2. Placing a Meeple phase while the placement of a meeple on the castle happens during the 3. Scoring phase. Thus the "timing" is not right even if you build the castle on the same tile as the meeple. In any case you would perform the Fruit action after placing the tile but before you place the castle and the meeple on it.
Quote from: Meepledrone on August 30, 2019, 08:15:03 AMThe rules do not define adjacency in these terms but the CAR does (check CAR v7.4, page 282):...I agree with you that the reasonable way to score a ringmaster on a castle is to take into account any meeple placed in the castle fief. My only consideration here is that this being a special case worth mentioning, neither the Expansion 8 rules nor the Expansion 10 rules dedicate a single sentence to this relevant case. If so, I suspect that HiG is not considering this interaction.I see this case in a similar way to the placement of a meeple on an unoccupied castle via a magic portal. It could be a reasonable extension of the rules (you may use the magic portal to claim an unoccupied uncompleted feature on a tile placed on this turn or any previous one - unless the feature is completed by the placement of the magic portal tile) but no rule or official clarification allows players to place a meeple on an unoccupied castle through a magic portal. So this possibility is ruled out.Thus, unless HiG clarifies the interaction, my interpretation is that ringmasters placed in castles do not get ringmaster points as a trade off for becoming a castle lord, although I see more than reasonable the adaptation of the scoring from 9-tile area to the 6-tile fief.I have searched the rules, CarcC and CarcF for a confirmation or denial of the ringmaster scoring with the ringmaster placed in a castle to no avail. If anyone can shed some light on this case. I would appreciate it. I didn't see the CAR definition of "adjacent", but I think CAR exploits this issue (does a castle have adjacent tiles) in the most logical way, as the official rules doesn't clarify that (I also couldn't find anything in the official rules.In my French rules, I'll keep this rules, at least until we have any official clarification:A meeple on a castle isn't on a tile, so any actions affecting a specific tile doesn't affect the castle (and so it's not possible to place a meeple on a castle using magic portals or fliers too)The 6 tiles around the castle are considered adjacent to the castleThis explains why a circus triggers a castle's scoring, and this also imply a ringmaster on a castle can get his bonus when scoring the castle. Plus, considering this rule already clarifies future questions with other expansion as this gives a base rule.
The rules do not define adjacency in these terms but the CAR does (check CAR v7.4, page 282):...I agree with you that the reasonable way to score a ringmaster on a castle is to take into account any meeple placed in the castle fief. My only consideration here is that this being a special case worth mentioning, neither the Expansion 8 rules nor the Expansion 10 rules dedicate a single sentence to this relevant case. If so, I suspect that HiG is not considering this interaction.I see this case in a similar way to the placement of a meeple on an unoccupied castle via a magic portal. It could be a reasonable extension of the rules (you may use the magic portal to claim an unoccupied uncompleted feature on a tile placed on this turn or any previous one - unless the feature is completed by the placement of the magic portal tile) but no rule or official clarification allows players to place a meeple on an unoccupied castle through a magic portal. So this possibility is ruled out.Thus, unless HiG clarifies the interaction, my interpretation is that ringmasters placed in castles do not get ringmaster points as a trade off for becoming a castle lord, although I see more than reasonable the adaptation of the scoring from 9-tile area to the 6-tile fief.I have searched the rules, CarcC and CarcF for a confirmation or denial of the ringmaster scoring with the ringmaster placed in a castle to no avail. If anyone can shed some light on this case. I would appreciate it.
Quote from: Meepledrone on August 30, 2019, 08:15:03 AMAll in all:* Red scores X points (core feature score + road bonus from Leipzig)* Blue scores X points the same points as Red for the road. Blue itself is not present on the road so no bonus points from Leipzig are possible.------My recommendation is to keep castle scoring as simple as possible:1. Tally the points for the feature triggering the castle scoring. - If several features and/or meeples are involved, pick the highest score for the feature/meeple combination.2. Score the points for all the players with majority on the feature picked - Any bonuses preceding the feature scoring should be performed first (watchtowers, Gingerbread Man,...) - These points do not affect castles - Any bonuses after the feature scoring should be performed last (ringmaster scoring,...) - These points do not affect castles3. Score the points foe the castle(s) involved. - Any bonuses affecting castle lords will be taken into consideration (Fairy)4. Proceed with the scoring of any other feature involved.This clarifies things a bit. So as we consider the castle meeple is not present on the scored structure (reason why he doesn't get wainwright points for his own meeple in that quarter), then the castle meeple also can't get coiners points for his own meeple on that quarter, as the castle meeple is not present on the city. Only Leipzig bonus for monasteries can be applied to the castle lord for his own meeple on the bookbinders quarter.Correct ?
All in all:* Red scores X points (core feature score + road bonus from Leipzig)* Blue scores X points the same points as Red for the road. Blue itself is not present on the road so no bonus points from Leipzig are possible.------My recommendation is to keep castle scoring as simple as possible:1. Tally the points for the feature triggering the castle scoring. - If several features and/or meeples are involved, pick the highest score for the feature/meeple combination.2. Score the points for all the players with majority on the feature picked - Any bonuses preceding the feature scoring should be performed first (watchtowers, Gingerbread Man,...) - These points do not affect castles - Any bonuses after the feature scoring should be performed last (ringmaster scoring,...) - These points do not affect castles3. Score the points foe the castle(s) involved. - Any bonuses affecting castle lords will be taken into consideration (Fairy)4. Proceed with the scoring of any other feature involved.
But one thing remains unclear with this order of castle's scoring: Why can't a mayor on a castle take points from roads, monasteries, city without pennants, if he's simply scoring as much points as the player having the most points on the structure, and he's also not considered as present on the structure itself ?Cheers !
Hi,I don't have time to answer all those quizz now, but here's what I'm not sure for example 4C, if one of the red tunnel tokens was missing and so the city is the only completed feature:- Blue mayor gets 0 points as he doesn't own the structure (or do he still get 3 mage points?)- Yellow mayor gets 0 points- Red ringmaster gets core city points (6 for the city, 3 for the mage, 1 for the little building on a city tile)Correct ?
Hi MeepledroneBoth You and corinthiens13 get the same answer,so it is not a good example.My suggestion is make a new example with fairy,leipzig,darm church. Maybe you will find your approach is complex.My opinion is close to corinthiens13.The castle score is as if you are the owner of the city.Don’t consider any score from the follower in this city(including fairy,leipzig,darm church).Only if you have follower in leipzig,you can get the bonus.
Hi,I had my Mega Carcassonne game with every major, mini and promo expansions this weekend and I didn't get any new questions (we just didn't play the pest to save some time, and still we couldn't finish every tiles after 8 hours). I guess we already solved a lot of situations with our discussions here.
For the castles, in my french rules (that have been updated to ver 3.9.2), I decided to keep the - Points as if the Lord owned the feature (ignoring other meeple's bonuses) - + Points linked to the Lord himself considering the 6 adjacent tiles (Leipzig, fairy and circus master)As I still think this way is easier to understand and the official rules doesn't contradicts this.
But meepledrone, I agree your way of scoring castles do also fits the official rules Cheers !
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