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Abbot and Tower
« on: October 08, 2014, 06:08:48 PM »
Can a tower capture an abbot?

In JCloisterZone, it can not.  In fact, the game hung on us tonight because of this....

I can't find anything in the Complete Annotated Rules to indicate that a tower can, or can not, capture an abbot.

Did a search here, and didn't find any other discussions about the interactions between towers and abbots.

Help!

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1112.0
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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2014, 10:18:33 PM »
Can a tower capture an abbot?

My answer would be - yes, since it is a follower after all. CAR is not updated yet to include "Abbot" expansion.
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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2014, 10:47:05 PM »
Can a tower capture an abbot?

My answer would be - yes, since it is a follower after all. CAR is not updated yet to include "Abbot" expansion.

Be careful ithink he talks about the abbot.on.german monasteries haha

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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2014, 12:58:57 AM »
Be careful ithink he talks about the abbot.on.german monasteries haha

OK, I admit I mixed up two things. But first part is still in effect.

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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2014, 03:08:22 AM »
I don't see why an Abbot on a german monastery could not be captured by a tower or be eaten by a dragon, he is a monk too, I think. The Abbot lies like a farmer and should stay until final scoring, but a farmer also can be captured.

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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2014, 05:49:04 AM »
I don't see why an Abbot on a german monastery could not be captured by a tower or be eaten by a dragon, he is a monk too, I think. The Abbot lies like a farmer and should stay until final scoring, but a farmer also can be captured.
I would agree, but JCloisterZone V3 will not allow a tower to capture an abbot.  It does allow the dragon to eat an abbot.  Usually Farin is very very good about understanding and implementing rules, so I thought maybe this was not allowed.....

To clarify, per an earlier message, I am referring to the side ways meeple on a German monastery.

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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2014, 10:31:59 AM »

Abbot?

What is an abbot?  :o Is it the meeple who is not a monk, but the other thing, when you use the Monasteries?  ???

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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2014, 10:58:32 AM »
What is an abbot?  :o Is it the meeple who is not a monk, but the other thing, when you use the Monasteries?  ???
Please see the CAR, page 173, for a far better explanation than I could provide, as well as the rules for use of Monk, Abbots, etc.

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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2014, 11:49:24 AM »

Abbot?

What is an abbot?  :o Is it the meeple who is not a monk, but the other thing, when you use the Monasteries?  ???

It is indeed the 'other' thing

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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2014, 06:46:46 AM »
Does anyone have a definitive answer to the question about Towers capturing Abbot?

kettlefish - can you assist?

If the answer is Yes, a Tower may capture an Abbot, we need Farin to fix JCloisterZone.

If the answer is No, the CAR needs to be updated.

Thanks!

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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2014, 08:45:17 AM »
Rule Tower (CAR v7.02 - page 65):
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Whenever a player places a tower piece, he or she may take one big or normal follower prisoner.

Rule German Monastery (CAR v7.02 - page 173):
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He then has two options when deploying a follower on the cloister:
1. As a Monk
2. As an Abbot

The follower has many different roles at Carcassonne.
examples: The follower is acting as a:
(CAR v7.02 - page 12)
- knight in a city
- thief on a road
- monk on a cloister
- farmer on a field

A follower  is still a follower when it has the role as an "abbot" stand on its' side on a "German Monastery".

Here you can find some more roles of a follower:
(CAR v7.02 - page 272)
Gefolgsmann - follower
« Last Edit: October 10, 2014, 08:48:53 AM by kettlefish »

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Re: Abbot and Tower
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2014, 05:18:42 PM »
kettlefish - thank you!

To paraphrase kettlefish:
- an Abbot is a follower
- a tower can take a follower

In other words - JCloisterZone needs a change!


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