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Carc Central Community => Online Games and Competitions => World Cup of Carcassonne Central => Topic started by: danisthirty on September 01, 2015, 03:59:56 AM
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Welcome to the group stage of the 2015 World Cup of Carcassonne Central! This thread is primarily for members of Group H to arrange matches between themselves and post scores, screenshots and the obligatory smack-talk as the group progresses. The top 2 players from this group once everyone in the group has played all 4 of their matches will advance through to the knockout stage.
Here is a list of the group members (including location):
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/WC2015_GroupH.jpg)
If you haven’t read them already, please ensure that you are familiar with the tournament rules/ general information (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2012.msg27708#msg27708) (you should also receive this via email). You may also find the JCloisterZone FAQ (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=778) interesting/ useful if you have any unanswered questions about how JCloisterZone works (or you can just email me).
Good luck, and have fun!
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Due to an apparent "bug" with the way River 1 is implemented within JCloisterZone, please avoid using this expansion in your game. At this stage of the competition we will now be using Inns & Cathedrals and King & Robber Baron only.
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No matches played yet for group H? We surely aren't going to win the first-group-to-finish prize. Lol
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I'm still on for 9:30pm (my time) if you are Owen? :)
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Oh yes!
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We can start whenever you are ready. I am in the chat room if you're available?
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CarcinFool :red-meeple: - 170 : 129 - :blue-meeple: danisthirty
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/WC2015_GS_CarcinFool.jpg)
It felt like CarcinFool and I were fairly evenly matched for the majority of our match. I probably got the better draw in the early part of the game and completed a number of small cities and short roads, eventually generating a lead of between 20 - 30 points. CF didn't have a lot of luck with the city tiles but did complete a 9-tile road (with Inn) which closed the gap a little and won him the Robber Baron tile which I couldn't take back from him.
As the game drew on, CarcinFool and I battled over a large city which he eventually won overall control of and got it to the point that it was just one tile away from completion for the majority of the final third of the game. It was large enough to make a big difference, so in the end it all came down to whether he would draw one of the remaining ccff tiles required to complete it. And as it happened, he did! :'(
So, the incomplete city (worth 17 points) became a complete city (worth 38 points: +21 for CF) and as well as this he took the King tile from me which represented another 32 point swing (-16 for me, +16 for CF). So, in this way it could be said that that single tile was worth 21 + 32 = 53 points and that I might have won if it wasn't for this as my actual losing margin was 41 points. But I'm not bitter about it, honest! >:D
What was interesting about the game was that I won the main farm outright with 2 normal followers and my large follower. Perhaps I over-invested in this as it was only worth 21 points. CarcinFool however did an excellent job of picking off lots of smaller farms and actually ended up with more farmer points than me in the final scoring.
I'm disappointed to have lost by such a wide margin as the game felt much closer than this, but I can't fault CarcinFool on anything - he is an awesome player (as I already knew from having played him on the iOS app)! Well played, and good luck with the rest of your games Owen! :) :(y)
:blue-meeple:
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Excellent game and excellent summary Dan!
It was indeed close the whole way. You were leading early and mid-game, and I was just trying to scratch and claw to hang in there and keep things close. You really were sticking it to me early with some nice 4-tile cities, including that butterfly-shaped one to the south that you stole from me with your BIG meeple. >:D Then once you grabbed the advantage on that large field to the west I felt like I was really out on the ledge. You had several more meeples than I did at that point and you really put the screws to me by swiping that field pretty quickly. After that i conceded the field and started putting resources elsewhere.
I was surprised you didn't try to kill the large city before I closed it off leaving just an empty FFCC space. It was an open CxFF space for a while that you could have hit with a road that I think would have made that a dead space. When I closed it off I think there were about 25 tiles to go and I thought there were three FFCC tiles left. There ended up being only two -- you ended up drawing one about 8-10 tiles later, and I (finally) drew the other with fewer than 10 tiles left (whew!). So I'd like to think it wasn't quite the 1-tile desperation move you made it out to be in your summary -- haha (but I certainly was lucky to have gotten one of the two remaining tiles). ;)
I also thought you might complete my long road to the west to take back the Robber. You would have only given me one additional point for the road but would have gained what ended up being 18 for the Robber bonus.
Very enjoyable game for my first WC match and online game using JCZ. Dan's always an excellent opponent. Looking forward to more games soon!
Owen
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I was surprised you didn't try to kill the large city before I closed it off leaving just an empty FFCC space.
I did try, but didn't draw a single rrxx tile that I could use to point a road into the gap. Not until you'd drawn the crrr tile that you used to close it down anyway!
I also thought you might complete my long road to the west to take back the Robber. You would have only given me one additional point for the road but would have gained what ended up being 18 for the Robber bonus.
If you didn't have the Inn on it then I might have done. But as it was, I was kind of hoping that you wouldn't close it and didn't want to give you the points or the meeple back if I could avoid it. I tried to make this difficult for you by trapping one end of the road but again, you drew the fffr (cloister) tile which you put in the gap before I'd managed to point a city into it...
Hopefully Becky (Mrs_danisthirty) will be able to avenge my defeat and restore some honour to our household! >:D
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I figured you were contemplating both of those. >:D I did think you had one chance to kill the city, but I may be mistaken.
Has anyone heard from Monica on scheduling games?
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I figured you were contemplating both of those. >:D I did think you had one chance to kill the city, but I may be mistaken.
I can't be 100% either; it's easy to look back on it now and assume that that would have been my top priority. Maybe I was distracted? One thing's for sure though, if I did have the chance to block the city and I missed it then I deserved everything I got! :-[
Has anyone heard from Monica on scheduling games?
Not yet. But I do know she's in the same/ similar timezone to you so hopefully arranging your game with her shouldn't be too difficult for either of you.
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Actually, something that has always surprised me about the online/computer versions of Carcassonne is that none that I know of allow you to replay a match, tile by tile. What a great learning tool that would be!
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Well, farin's the man to ask about that as JCloisterZone is all his work! I think Decar has looked into implementing something too, but I'm not sure whether anything's actually in the pipeline or not.
Another option is to use a screen recording program to record the games. I've done this with a few games in the past, as has Leven. In fact, this is a recording of a game in which MrNumbers mercilessly battered me during the first online league we played (last year):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9XaDW7_ltE :o
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I'm waiting for some of JCZ's internals to be restructured so I can jump in and add some simple changes without affecting anything else.
Somewhere I've got a post of the animated-gif I produced of a game automatically in JCZ.
I've also got an implementation for prepared-games, so the tiles come out in a prepared order.
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CarcinFool is in the chatroom.
He likes to play with Mrs_danisthirty.
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They have arranged to play at 9pm.
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They have arranged to play at 9pm.
Thx Dan -- I had proposed a 9:15pm GMT game time tonight, but I havent heard back from Becky yet.
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Game completed - Monwin vs Carcinfool
Monwin for the Win! 188 - 187.
Close. Very, very close. Right down to the very last piece, it could have gone either way....
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It was a good game! I found myself behind early in my second straight match needing to scratch and claw back again, but this time it was not far enough.
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It could be even a draw, if CarcinFool would place his last tile to complete city in the left lower corner (7 points instead of 6).
However, Monwil could take that farm instead of CarcinFool, so again 1 point difference :D
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It could be even a draw, if CarcinFool would place his last tile to complete city in the left lower corner (7 points instead of 6).
No then red would have caputred the field and 6 instead 5 points then for red
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No then red would have caputred the field and 6 instead 5 points then for red
Yes, I noticed that too and just 30 seconds before your reply I edited my post :D
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You both missed the same thing I originally missed...
I did the same calculation about the last move and figured it was either +7 for finishing my city and +6 for monwil getting the field or +6 for me getting the field and +5 for her in city points.
However I was tossing and turning most of the night because as I was laying in bed falling asleep I realized I forgot to account for the +1 for the **King bonus** I would have received for the first move that would have finished my city. That would have been +8 for me and +6 for her (field) resulting in a draw.
Nooooooooooooooooooo!
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The next games have been played in the WorldCup 15 - Group H - 04 09 2015
Here comes the x-score list:
games in the last two days:
- CarcinFool (170) - danisthirty (129)
- CarcinFool (187) - monwil (188)
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...I realized I forgot to account for the +1 for the **King bonus** I would have received for the first move that would have finished my city. That would have been +8 for me and +6 for her (field) resulting in a draw.
Nooooooooooooooooooo!
The curse of the King! :@
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OK, so despite living not just in the same time zone, but in the same house as Mrs_danisthirty, we still haven't played our game. Hopefully she will be available this evening for a match (with someone other than me) but we're going out for dinner with her family this evening as it was her birthday yesterday.
I on the other hand have scheduled matches for next week against monwil on Tuesday 6pm (Canada)/ 11pm (UK) and farin on Thursday 9pm (UK)/ 10pm (Czech).
Although the first group has already finished (well done guys!) and another is just one game away (also well done), it'd be nice if we could at least manage to be one of the first 3 or 4 groups to finish... O:-)
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monwil VS danisthirty
Dan for the win! 174 - 154
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There was also a post here of rfielder vs. Safari (group D of World Cup) but I believe Decar moved it to the correct location. Carcinfool and kettlefish's responses also appear to have been removed.
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Another close one
Farin 155 - 151 CarcinFool
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Another close one
Farin 155 - 151 CarcinFool
[Depressed sigh]
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Another close one
Farin 155 - 151 CarcinFool
[Depressed sigh]
You may be down but you're certainly not out!
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The next games have been played in the WorldCup 15 - Group H - 08 09 2015
Here comes the x-score list:
games in the last two days:
- CarcinFool (151) - farin (155)
- danisthirty (174) - monwil (154)
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Anything could happen in this group from this point. I can't wait for the game in the danisthirty household!
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Anything could happen in this group from this point. I can't wait for the game in the danisthirty household!
I can! But I'm going to be prepared either way; it'll either be this (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-Seater-Faux-Leather-Sofa-in-a-BOX-RRP-369-Black-or-Brown-Settee-BOXED-NEW-/261309965808?var=&hash=item3cd749a5f0) for me if she wins, or this (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Larchlap-Overlap-Apex-Wooden-Garden-Shed-8-x-6ft-/351012627674?hash=item51b9fba4da) if I do... :-\
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farin is online in the chatroom. He hops to play a game perhaps against danisthirty...
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danisthirty :blue-meeple: - 162 : 157 - :violet-meeple: farin
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/WorldCup_farin_scores.jpg)
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/WorldCup_farin_map.jpg)
Farin went first and took the small city for a 4-point lead, then I seemed to spend the rest of the first half of the game playing catch up! He started off by drawing some favourable tiles and completed his own 5-tile city to take the King token too. I didn't win many points at first but scrabbled around trying to trap farin's meeples, usually quite unsuccessfully.
I knew I was going to have to be daring to win back some points for myself and so chose to place the first cathedral in my own city which I then began to close thanks to some kind tiles. I couldn't quite close it though, and after several turns needing a final city cap to finish it off farin drew the other cathedral. He added this to my city which made it unlikely enough to complete that I gave up on it and lost two meeples in the process (one of which I later managed to reclaim thanks to a ccff "splitter" tiles).
As the game continued, farin built up a fairly considerable lead to the point that I was something like 40 points behind him at one point and had my mind set on damage limitation rather than actually winning the game. I let myself run low on meeples after claiming what turned out to be a 24-point farm, so I was glad when my fortunes changed and I completed an 8-tile city containing 2 of my knights against just one of farins followed by an 8-tile road (with inn!) on my next turn. This put me in front, albeit only slightly, for the first time and also gave me back 3 meeples and both the King and Robber Baron tokens.
I soon lost the Robber Baron again but was glad that farin took the opportunity to complete his road when he had it rather than risk waiting for an inn to double it's value. My farm had grown quite large by this point too, so I secured it a little by getting my large follower onto it even though farin wasn't really fighting for it and found more farmer points elsewhere (most of which I could have stolen but for the fact that all the straight roads seemed to get placed in the first half of the game).
In the final stages of the game I felt like I had quite a big lead but hadn't fully considered that farin's 3 monks would be worth the same as my big farm. So, although I did feel like I'd won more comfortably than it turned out to be, I certainly wasn't disappointed when the final scores popped up and I saw that I'd won by 5 points!
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(http://www.dan.tehill.net/WorldCup_Mrs_scores.jpg)
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/WorldCup_Mrs_map.jpg)
No time for a proper write-up now as I'm still dealing with the aftermath... :(
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Although we're normally quite closely matched, Becky struggled to get used to JCloisterZone for various reasons and didn't really do herself justice in this game. I certainly never normally win by such margins up at the table anyway!
Because this was an important game for my chances of qualification I took it quite seriously as I needed the win. I trapped two of Becky's meeples in a city from quite an early stage, but only after she'd drawn two of the cfcf "split-city" tiles consecutively and didn't use either of them to escape from my pending trap. She also placed a cloister adjacent to the gap sometime later which led to a third trapped meeple, and I trapped her double-meeple outside of a city of mine that she was trying to glom into. She then dropped a cathedral on this though, ensuring that I didn't get any points for it either.
I soon realised that the farm had a lot of potential and was able to ensure I won it outright thanks to the number of trapped meeples Becky had. She did fight back though, placing the second cathedral such that it killed another of my cities. However, my chances of completing it weren't entirely zero and thanks to some favourable draws in the last 20 tiles I managed to get it to within one tile of completion. However, even though there was one city cap remaining in the last two tiles, Becky got the one I needed and my cathedral city was left incomplete for 0 points (rather than 45).
There was some confusion over the King and Robber Baron bonuses. I took the King token for completing a 4-tile city (all of our cities were very small!) but it seemed like Becky had closed the longest road (the one including the rrrr from Inns & Cathedrals) - we counted 9 tiles. I tried to beat this by building a road of my own, but because it contained an inn and because the number of tiles left to be played was getting low, I completed it when I had the chance even though it was only 9 tiles long and therefore not long enough to win the Robber Baron token. But - surprise surprise - I won the Robber Baron! When I looked at it again, it seemed obvious that the road Becky had closed was actually only 8 tiles long but we'd both counted 9 as one of the tiles was included twice! So with a decent lead, the main farm, the King and the Robber Baron and about 12 tiles to go, Becky pretty much gave up as she didn't have anything left to play with by then anyway.
So overall, not a good day for our marriage... 8) :blue-meeple: vs. >:( :pink-meeple:
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The next games have been played in the WorldCup 15 - Group H - 12 09 2015
Here comes the x-score list:
games in the last few days:
- danisthirty (162) - farin (157)
- danisthirty (196) - Mrs_danisthirty (86)
danisthirty has finished all his games in group H.
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Congrats on qualifying for the next round, Dan!!
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Congrats on qualifying for the next round, Dan!!
Thanks Owen. This group has been a tough one!
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Mrs_danisthirty :violet-meeple: - 206 : 159 - :red-meeple: CarcinFool
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/CarcinFool_vs_Mrs_danisthirty.jpg)
Please excuse the screenshot being so small but it was a very tall game and Becky couldn't fit it all on screen at once without zooming out a long way.
Anyway, I was able to watch this game from the sofa and was worried that the urge to tut or shake my head might be too much for me depending on how the game went O:-). Fortunately this wasn't a problem at all and Becky was able to play as well as she normally does up at the table this time.
I'd say CarcinFool got the rough end of the wedge with regard to the tiles he drew whereas Becky was usually able to complete a city or find some other useful purpose for the majority of her tiles. Most of the game was close though, it wasn't until Becky won the King tile and scuppered CF's attempts to win the Robber Baron away from her that things started to swing in her favour. She also managed to setup a few good blocks to keep CF off of her farm although it was a close thing towards the very end. :) :(y)
Sorry to see CarcinFool dropping out of the tournament as a result of this game, but I know he'll be making up for it by destroying my Elo the next time we play over iOS! Well played both!
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You know, that JCZ can rotate in increments of 90°, do you? Not, that the size of the screen shot matters that much, but it comes handy wile playing as well, once the board develops like that.
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You know, that JCZ can rotate in increments of 90°, do you? Not, that the size of the screen shot matters that much, but it comes handy wile playing as well, once the board develops like that.
Yeah, I knew you could do that too. At one point Becky called me over as she kept having to fiddle with the zoom settings and pan around to see everything at once (the screen on her laptop isn’t very big). I suggested she could rotate it, but didn’t recommend it as it changes your perspective of the game so much that it’s easy to lose track of everything you’re working on.
It’s exactly the same as if you swap seats with the player sitting opposite you when playing up at the table; suddenly everything looks upside-down and it takes a while to familiarise yourself with the landscape again!
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You know, that JCZ can rotate in increments of 90°, do you? Not, that the size of the screen shot matters that much, but it comes handy wile playing as well, once the board develops like that.
I suggested she could rotate it, but didn’t recommend it as it changes your perspective of the game so much that it’s easy to lose track of everything you’re working on.
I agree; I can't handle changing the rotation mid-game because it confuses me too much.
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I agree; I can't handle changing the rotation mid-game because it confuses me too much.
Same here :)
As for screenshots, I usually prefer to press F12 and screenshot is automatically saved in JCZ folder with full size. Then I use Snipping tool to take a screenshot from score breakdown.
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OK, I don't have this orientation problems with rotations. Sometimes even rotate twice in a game, if if first develops vertically and later rather horizontally. I just take my few seconds to reorientate, not more then 3 or 4, but also focus a short time on the FFFF cloisters (or cathedrals or abbeys), if they are already in play. By default, they will be always orientated correctly, as long as the rotation is like at the beginning of the game. This can also be helpful, to readjust the second time in a way, that the board looks like at the beginning, rather then upside down. Maybe this helps other players, too. Shifting the board up and down would annoy me more, and I always want it as big as possible. (Well not as long, as there are only 3 or 4 tiles played, but you sure understand, what I mean.)
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Farin 225 - 170 Monwil
I semi-captured 2 meeples at very beginning.
There was 50% for 0 points and 50% for scored cathedral.
Eventually monica get a better one, but almost before end so still her two blocked followers helps me make such margin.
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monwil vs mrsdanisthirty
Monwil for the win - 243 - 220
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The next games have been played in the WorldCup 15 - Group H - 22 09 2015
Here comes the x-score list:
games in the last few days:
- Mrs_danisthirty (206) - CarcinFool (159)
- Mrs_danisthirty (220) - monwil (243)
- farin (225) - monwil (170)
danisthirty and monwil have finished all their games in group H.
one game left to play in group H:
farin - Mrs_danisthirty
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I only caught the end of the game between monwil and Mrs_danisthirty. Becky felt that she’d already lost by a long way, but looked to be in a relatively good position in a couple of places. One such place was a long road, with inn, that she was poised to complete, adding a second thief of her own to it in the process in order to take all the points for herself. All she needed was a road corner to close it, but Monica drew a t-junction immediately before Becky drew the tile she needed! The effect of this was that they shared the points from the half of the road with the inn on it, and Monica took the Robber Baron tile (this in itself was a 32-point swing).
Becky also had a good piece of luck when she drew the required cfrr tile required to complete a small city, an occupied cloister, a decent-length road (1 tile short of winning the Robber Baron back if I remember rightly!) and glom onto Monica’s farm. This by itself wasn’t quite enough to put her ahead, but it certainly ate into Monica’s lead!
Well played to both, it looks like it was an awesome game!
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Farin 238 - 168 Becky (Mrs Danisthirty)
last group in H group
btw last two tiles order makes different aprox 38 points
lucky for me that was not important because Becky draw the better one
(she get 19 points for completed inn road and 9 points for immediately completed cloister,
I lost 9 point as result of mergin idividula farm to my already winning farm)
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The last game has been played in the WorldCup 15 - Group H - 01 10 2015
Here comes the x-score list:
the last game has been played in group H
- farin (238) - Mrs_danisthirty (168)
All the participants have finished all their games in group H.
Winner of group H is farin (H1) and the 2nd is danisthirty (H2).
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Congratulations farin! It looks as though you will be playing Jéré in the first round of the knock-out stage, and I will play khalidqasrawi... :) :(y)