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Title: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Whaleyland on June 29, 2017, 12:47:16 AM
Information has leaked of a new travel edition of Carcassonne called "Carcassonne, Für 2 ("Carcassonne for 2"). It will come in a small travel tin (11.4 cm x 18.5 cm x 3.8 cm).

Information comes from the website https://www.bonifatius-buchhandlung.de/produkt-1996/carcassonne_fuer_2_spiel/9837953 (https://www.bonifatius-buchhandlung.de/produkt-1996/carcassonne_fuer_2_spiel/9837953).

CarcC user BigBoss has added that it will include 48 tiles, 12 meeples, and a rules booklet.

No release date has been given.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Michael Dawes on June 29, 2017, 01:56:09 AM
Why 48 tiles? If it is meant for two players only why not 49 tiles so that both players would have the same number of turns each? Unless there is not a start tile included!
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Halfling on June 29, 2017, 03:23:23 AM
Tiles seem to be produced in sets of 4, 6 or 12 which makes it difficult to produce odd numbers?
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on September 08, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
Now availlable in germany  :neutral-meeple:

https://www.moluna.de/spielware/155049218-carcassonne%2C+f%FCr+2+%28spiel%29/ (https://www.moluna.de/spielware/155049218-carcassonne%2C+f%FCr+2+%28spiel%29/)

https://www.schmidtspiele-shop.de/carcassonne-fuer-zwei (https://www.schmidtspiele-shop.de/carcassonne-fuer-zwei)

https://www.buecher.de/shop/schmidt-spiele/carcassonne-fuer-2-spiel/karten--brett-oder-wuerfelspiel/products_products/detail/prod_id/48521079/ (https://www.buecher.de/shop/schmidt-spiele/carcassonne-fuer-2-spiel/karten--brett-oder-wuerfelspiel/products_products/detail/prod_id/48521079/)

https://www.bol.de/shop/home/suchartikel/EAN4001504514204/ (https://www.bol.de/shop/home/suchartikel/EAN4001504514204/)

 :(y)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on September 08, 2017, 02:21:32 PM
Thanks BigBoss. I've just ordered mine from Spiele Offensive...
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on September 08, 2017, 02:36:12 PM
Thanks BigBoss. I've just ordered mine from Spiele Offensive...

 :(y) and you could choose there also the 20% special discount:
BigBix2017 (39.99€) + carcassonne for 2 (5,99€) - 9,20€ discount = 36,78€  >:D

 :red-meeple:
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on September 08, 2017, 02:45:54 PM
Yes indeed!

This was my basket (attached)...
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Jéré on September 08, 2017, 02:46:22 PM
I am very curious about the tile distribution. First member to post this will get a merit for sure ;)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on September 08, 2017, 02:48:15 PM
I am very curious about the tile distribution. First member to post this will get a merit for sure ;)

Will the tile distribution be validated against anything, and will the merit be retracted if, per chance, the first person to announce the tile distribution made it up because they're starting to lag behind Decar and need the merit?
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Jéré on September 08, 2017, 02:52:53 PM
I am very curious about the tile distribution. First member to post this will get a merit for sure ;)

Will the tile distribution be validated against anything, and will the merit be retracted if, per chance, the first person to announce the tile distribution made it up because they're starting to lag behind Decar and need the merit?

Don't even try Dan... :) you'd insert something silly in there so validation would be easy ;)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on September 08, 2017, 02:57:46 PM
As if I'd do such a thing! >:D

(OK then I won't)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Just a Bill on September 08, 2017, 05:05:23 PM
(https://s3-media2.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/w0a0GM0Kx1OnKW4Jiu5kRQ/ls.jpg)

Pay up.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Paul on September 08, 2017, 10:34:32 PM
German rules for download: https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=312&t=3829
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: aenima on September 09, 2017, 12:18:35 AM
I hope it can be played with the demo... the meeple colours are the same, I think the tile sizes too
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: aenima on September 09, 2017, 01:04:13 AM
Now availlable in germany  :neutral-meeple:

https://www.moluna.de/spielware/155049218-carcassonne%2C+f%FCr+2+%28spiel%29/ (https://www.moluna.de/spielware/155049218-carcassonne%2C+f%FCr+2+%28spiel%29/)
https://www.schmidtspiele.de/de/produkte/details/product/carcassonne-fuer-2-51420.html (https://www.schmidtspiele.de/de/produkte/details/product/carcassonne-fuer-2-51420.html)
https://www.buecher.de/shop/schmidt-spiele/carcassonne-fuer-2-spiel/karten--brett-oder-wuerfelspiel/products_products/detail/prod_id/48521079/ (https://www.buecher.de/shop/schmidt-spiele/carcassonne-fuer-2-spiel/karten--brett-oder-wuerfelspiel/products_products/detail/prod_id/48521079/)
https://www.bol.de/shop/home/suchartikel/EAN4001504514204/ (https://www.bol.de/shop/home/suchartikel/EAN4001504514204/)

 :(y)

The same shop has this...
https://www.bol.de/shop/home/suchartikel/schmidt_48267_carcassonne_bruecken_burgen_und_basare_8_erweiteru/EAN4001504482671/ID66396323.html

 :o
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Willem on September 09, 2017, 01:38:08 AM
That is for pre-order at the moment. Too bad they haven't got an expected date of release yet :(
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on September 09, 2017, 05:38:05 AM
That is for pre-order at the moment. Too bad they haven't got an expected date of release yet :(

23.10.2017 => "Bridges, Castles & Bazaars" & "Hills & Sheep"
Information provided without guarantee, but Source is SchmidtSpiele.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Paul on September 10, 2017, 09:24:30 AM
Someone at BGG has one to trade off, "still in shrink wrap". He has 365 positive feedback so seems legit enough. German First Edition.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Jéré on September 11, 2017, 12:30:26 AM
Are the tiles smaller? Like the demo version. In this case I'm probably not interested... I'll wait and see.

Since it's a metal box, I hope there's a score board inside with magnet meeples to track scores... but I'm probably dreaming...  ::)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on September 11, 2017, 12:35:42 AM
If that's a dream then consider me a dreamer too!
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Willem on September 11, 2017, 01:29:30 AM
I think it's meant to be a travel edition for the new art. So I'm guessing they will be smaller.

Anyone UK based that wants to order this? As I've already bought the BB6, I'll wait with ordering this until the new art version of CB&B and/or Hills&Sheep will come out, so I can order together.
So if anyone is already placing an order now and can add a copy of Carcassonne for 2, I'll happily join in :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: UberToast on September 12, 2017, 02:53:16 PM
I just ordered this off Amazon.de today for shipment to the US. Game + Shipping came out at just under $12. I was able to use my existing US Amazon account and payment / shipping information. Shipping is estimated at 2 weeks - I don't know if it factors in at all but I am an Amazon Prime subscriber. I thought this was a good alternative for some to get this.

Someone at BGG has one to trade off, "still in shrink wrap". He has 365 positive feedback so seems legit enough. German First Edition.

I spoke with this guy (enoon) - while he has it for trade, he doesn't have the game in hand yet. His friend in Germany is sending him 2 copies, one for his collection and one to trade. He is reluctant to ship to the US due to cost and his experience with USPS handling packages.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Decar on September 13, 2017, 03:10:24 AM
The game is retailing for around 6€, so 12$ with postage from amazon seems great value  :(y) :(y)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: franks on September 13, 2017, 03:56:01 PM
The game is retailing for around 6€, so 12$ with postage from amazon seems great value  :(y) :(y)

Shipping to Canada 15€  :(
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Decar on September 14, 2017, 12:23:44 AM
@franks - sounds like a great excuse to feed some more games into your shipment...Christmas is coming!
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: UberToast on September 20, 2017, 04:44:20 PM
Arrived today.

(http://i.imgur.com/nOLHqR2m.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/nOLHqR2.jpg)

Tile size compare - Labyrinth tile for reference.

(http://i.imgur.com/AiRSeufm.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/AiRSeuf.jpg)

I probably should have also included a Travel Carcassonne tile for comparison.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Willem on September 21, 2017, 10:07:58 AM
Today I got mine, also from Amazon.de :)
I can confirm the tile distribution, if anyone wants to see :P
And the size of the tiles is the same as the Travel Edition. Can you spot the tiles? ;)
(https://thumb.ibb.co/j4nKTk/DSC_1846_Medium.jpg) (https://ibb.co/j4nKTk)

The Meeples are slightly different though.
The new meeples are a little bit taller and slimmer, compared to the ones from the Travel Edition
(https://thumb.ibb.co/mF4mr5/DSC_1847.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mF4mr5)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on September 21, 2017, 10:46:16 AM
Thanks for the photos guys.

Wasn't expecting to see the frfr with cloister or the cfrf included. I assumed it would be a subset of tiles from the original basegame.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: aenima on September 21, 2017, 02:02:37 PM
And the scoreboard?
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Willem on September 21, 2017, 09:25:41 PM
There is no scoreboard included unfortunatly  :(
I havent read the rules through yet, but i believe it suggests using pen and paper for scoring
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: glh510 on September 21, 2017, 11:07:40 PM
There is no scoreboard included unfortunatly  :(
I havent read the rules through yet, but i believe it suggests using pen and paper for scoring

There is plenty of space inside the cover. So somebody could design a print out scoreboard for the cover?  :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Just a Bill on September 22, 2017, 04:29:03 AM
There is no scoreboard ... it suggests using pen and paper

Well ... yuck. I almost ordered this thing, but now I'm glad I didn't.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: UberToast on September 22, 2017, 06:32:49 AM
There is no scoreboard included unfortunatly  :(
I havent read the rules through yet, but i believe it suggests using pen and paper for scoring

There is plenty of space inside the cover. So somebody could design a print out scoreboard for the cover?  :)

I like that idea - I'll look at putting one together this weekend. I'll need to find a decent card stock and measure out the cover.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Paul on September 22, 2017, 07:05:35 AM
Could be the next forum challenge making scoreboard somehow.

Will there be an English version? I noticed it popped up at a few Swedish stores for the German edition.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: cletus81 on September 23, 2017, 12:24:45 PM
And the size of the tiles is the same as the Travel Edition. Can you spot the tiles? ;)
Fine, this means that the size is also the same of the demo version. Finally those twenty tiles have a reason for existing: increasing the number of tiles in this game!  :D
I also noticed gardens on some tiles: does the rulesheet mention the Abbot expansion?
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Willem on September 23, 2017, 01:50:47 PM
Just had a quick look, but no abbot mentioned in the rules. And i dont think the gardens are mentioned either. In the bit about the cloisters there is a clear picture of a cloister with a garden, but no rules about the gardens. Ill have a closer look tomorrow and post some pictures
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Willem on September 24, 2017, 02:24:09 AM
Just had a read through the rules.
It says to use a piece of paper and pen to keep the score, and there is no mentioning of the gardens or abbots. It does refer to the 'normal' version and that it comes with 2 mini-expansions  ;)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Willem on September 24, 2017, 04:47:56 AM
In regards to the missing scoring track:
I printed a slightly altered version of the C II and glued it to some card board paper I had laying around.
The result is a small scoring track that fits in the tin box :)
I also printed/made a Friday track for the Friday expansion for South Seas. I found it on this forum, printed it and now its easier to use a bag when playing the game with the Friday expansion :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: aenima on September 24, 2017, 10:09:16 AM
In regards to the missing scoring track:
I printed a slightly altered version of the C II and glued it to some card board paper I had laying around.
The result is a small scoring track that fits in the tin box :)

well done! :)
merit!

can you share the file?
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Whaleyland on September 24, 2017, 10:29:03 AM
Carcassonne-für-2 is sounding more cockamamy every time I hear about it or see pictures. They just didn't even try with this thing. No score board. Gardens but no abbeys. Poorly-written rules. Let's just toss a bunch of tiles in a box with some miniature meeples and see what people do!
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Willem on September 24, 2017, 12:46:19 PM
Well, i guess they want to just sell as many as they can and make lots of money, as any shop/business wants to ;)
But yeah, not thought through as we would have liked to see.

Attached the PDF with the scoreboard in the right size :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Just a Bill on September 24, 2017, 01:58:49 PM
Carcassonne-für-2 is sounding more cockamamy every time I hear about it or see pictures. They just didn't even try with this thing. No score board. Gardens but no abbeys. Poorly-written rules. Let's just toss a bunch of tiles in a box with some miniature meeples and see what people do!

Yeah, it's sad that even at a paltry 6 Euro many of us will remain untempted by this thing. In a way, though, it's a positive: clunky, incompatible products like this in the new art do corroborate the decision to ignore the reboot product line.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on September 27, 2017, 03:15:58 PM
Carcassonne-für-2 is sounding more cockamamy every time I hear about it or see pictures. They just didn't even try with this thing. No score board. Gardens but no abbeys. Poorly-written rules. Let's just toss a bunch of tiles in a box with some miniature meeples and see what people do!

Yeah, it's sad that even at a paltry 6 Euro many of us will remain untempted by this thing. In a way, though, it's a positive: clunky, incompatible products like this in the new art do corroborate the decision to ignore the reboot product line.

I've ordered 5.

Can anyone confirm whether the box would fit 72 normal tiles and 16 (or perhaps 14) normal meeples?
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Willem on September 27, 2017, 09:12:13 PM
Yep, its actually a nice fit.
This is one basegame and 40 meeples plus abbots
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on September 27, 2017, 10:55:42 PM
Thanks Willem88. At that price I'd say it's worth it just for the box if you're someone who likes the idea of carrying Carcassonne everywhere you go. Regardless of what's in it! :(y)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Willem on September 27, 2017, 11:50:36 PM
Dan, shouldnt yours have arrived by now? I feel like ive ordered mine later and got it sooner :o
Or are you keeping the first one sealed for collectors-purposes? ;)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on September 28, 2017, 01:33:33 AM
Dan, shouldnt yours have arrived by now? I feel like ive ordered mine later and got it sooner :o
Or are you keeping the first one sealed for collectors-purposes? ;)

It's all been a bit of a mess to be honest. First I ordered 2 but the order got delayed because it was waiting for other things that they didn't have in stock at that time so I cancelled the order thinking I could get it more easily somewhere else. Big mistake! Most of the places I've checked either won't ship to the UK or didn't have it in stock. Plus my German isn't very good which made the whole thing that much more... challenging. So in the end I placed another order with the same place I'd ordered it from originally and treated myself to 5 instead of 2 to make up for lost time.

And that's what really happened!
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Decar on September 30, 2017, 06:47:02 AM
I'm happy to see this created too.  I've often wanting a smaller easy to transport edition of the game.  It's good to hear the base game travels well too.  I've not quite had time to analyse the difference in the tile count, I had assumed 2/3rd of the base game palettes would be used, but instead 2x4 palettes have been created.  I'm interested to see what difference these tiles make to the gameplay.
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Decar on October 08, 2017, 08:48:50 AM
Thanks to Willem for sharing the Tile distribution.  I created a new sheet especially for Carcassonne For Two:

(http://tehill.net/carcassonne/general/CarcassonneForTwoTileDistribution.png)

It's pretty clear Hans Im Glueck has spent some effort creating this because the tile distribution is quite different from regular Carcassonne.  As one might expect there are significantly less road tiles, which don't score a great deal of points in 2-player Carcassonne, but I believe this will reduce the size of farms and limit the use of the CRRF tile and it's counterpart tile for glomming.

I've also noticed there are no CCCC or RRRR tiles which is an interesting decision!

I just compared the tiles in this set to the 'Demo edition' and observed some more interesting stuff.  The demo edition has a RRRR tile, it also has a CCFF tile with a pennant which the Carcassonne For Two game doesn't have either.  There's definitely some consideration for adding the two sets together too.

All in all, I really can't wait to get my hands on this now.  By all accounts it really looks like the game as been carefully considered for 2-players and hopefully introduce the game tactics of the game for more people too!
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Decar on October 10, 2017, 02:19:21 PM
Danisthirty and I had two games of Carcassonne For Two on a heavy modified version of JCloisterzone:

(http://tehill.net/carcassonne/jcloisterzone/JCZ_Dan_10_10_17.png)

The first game saw us fighting for a large farm, a little early to be honest.  Thankfully Dan thought there were more CFFF tiles than there actually were.  So snapped back the points I lost investing into the farm too early.

58 points each.

The second game was slightly more interesting.  Dan managed to draw all the road tiles, which allowed me to create a large city.  Though Dan was able to glom into it, I was able to create a 2nd slightly smaller city for 10 points (compared to 14 shared).  I then started a 3rd city, which I used to splitter to avoid and close.  Dan got majority on a farm, but it was only worth 12 points.  Again we ran out of meeple:

(http://tehill.net/carcassonne/jcloisterzone/JCZ_Dan_10_10_17_2.png)

Carcassonne For Two is a very intense game, especially with so few meeple.  The mid-game starts very quickly and the end-game is very quick indeed.  I got lucky on my 2nd game, but mainly because Dan's not had the chance to measure the tile distribution.

Thanks for taking the time to try out the modified JCloisterzone Dan!
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on October 10, 2017, 02:42:50 PM
Thanks for the games Decar! :) :(y)

Probably worth mentioning that I accidentally cheated in the first game and used one of the 2 meeples I shouldn't have had to claim a 4-point city. So in actual fact this was a win to you as well!

This tileset is good for a quick game that can be over in 10 minutes or less. I've played half a dozen or so games against Adda since Decar gave me his modified version of JCZ, and they've been quite challenging at times (mostly because Adda plays with 7 meeples and I've been playing with 5). My best score so far (against Adda) has been 90...
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: aenima on October 10, 2017, 10:48:58 PM

I've also noticed there are no CCCC or RRRR tiles which is an interesting decision!

I just compared the tiles in this set to the 'Demo edition' and observed some more interesting stuff.  The demo edition has a RRRR tile, it also has a CCFF tile with a pennant which the Carcassonne For Two game doesn't have either.  There's definitely some consideration for adding the two sets together too.


so, it's impossible to have a standard distibution also with 2 box and the demo... the only tile missing is the rrrr?l
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Decar on October 11, 2017, 12:10:50 AM
No the demo had RRRR.  What neither have is CCCC!
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: aenima on October 11, 2017, 11:48:04 AM
No the demo had RRRR.  What neither have is CCCC!

Mmmmm... thank you
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on October 11, 2017, 07:02:22 PM
The "Carcassonne for 2" is now also available at CundCo-Shop
https://cundco.de/en/boardgames/a-c/213/carcassonne-fuer-2 (https://cundco.de/en/boardgames/a-c/213/carcassonne-fuer-2)

 O0
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: aenima on October 14, 2017, 01:28:59 AM
also with 2 box and the demo there will be not these tiles, considering also the garden, to make the normal base game

it's definitely another game...
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: wolnic on October 14, 2017, 05:07:47 AM
The "Carcassonne for 2" is now also available at CundCo-Shop
https://cundco.de/en/boardgames/a-c/213/carcassonne-fuer-2 (https://cundco.de/en/boardgames/a-c/213/carcassonne-fuer-2)

 O0

Ordered about 4 days ago from CundCo, and arrived this morning (UK)
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on October 14, 2017, 02:18:35 PM
Somehow I never knew you were from the UK wolnic. Whereabouts are you from?

I ordered from Cundco recently too, so hopefully mine will arrive soon. This has eluded me so far!
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: Lord_Wishmaster on October 23, 2017, 06:23:31 AM
Anyone know if there is likely to be a UK release of this?
Title: Re: Carcassonne for 2 Spin-off
Post by: danisthirty on October 23, 2017, 06:38:50 AM
Hi Lord_Wishmaster! :D :D :D :(y) :(y) :(y)

I can't shed any light on that specifically, but I wouldn't hold your breath. But if you're looking for a slightly shorter version of Carcassonne with less tiles and you already know the rules though I don't see the language being a significant barrier...