Author Topic: Clarification of rules - Email with HiG - 05 05 2014 (Read 25823 times)

Carcking · « **Reply #30 on:** May 24, 2014, 09:13:14 PM »

Quote from: asparagus on May 24, 2014, 03:51:33 PM

So how about a house-rule for pigs? You don't have to be in the sole majority to have an effective pig. It's very rare to get actual points from the pig. Someone managed it in a game today. 1 point in fact.

@asparagus - are you referring to the Pig for Traders & Builders? I'm not sure I follow your statement here. Is there an analogy between the Pig and the Hills?

Rosco · « **Reply #31 on:** May 24, 2014, 11:28:01 PM »

As far as I have always understood the pig, if your farmer scores and the pig is present if said farm, the farmer gets an extra point per city. Therefore my pig almost always scores.

asparagus · « **Reply #32 on:** May 25, 2014, 02:27:51 AM »

Quote from: Rosco on May 24, 2014, 11:28:01 PM

As far as I have always understood the pig, if your farmer scores and the pig is present if said farm, the farmer gets an extra point per city. Therefore my pig almost always scores.

I seem to have lost my traders and builders rules but I have no reason to think it differed from the CAR. It seems i have always interpreted that as saying that pig's owner had to be in sole control of the field. I think it is much better if that is relaxed.

Carcking · « **Reply #33 on:** May 25, 2014, 07:14:43 AM »

Quote from: asparagus on May 25, 2014, 02:27:51 AM

Quote from: Rosco on May 24, 2014, 11:28:01 PM
As far as I have always understood the pig, if your farmer scores and the pig is present if said farm, the farmer gets an extra point per city. Therefore my pig almost always scores.

I seem to have lost my traders and builders rules but I have no reason to think it differed from the CAR. It seems i have always interpreted that as saying that pig's owner had to be in sole control of the field. I think it is much better if that is relaxed.

The player only gets the benefit of his Pig if he has the majority on, or at least a share of, the farm his Pig is on.

I'm struggling to see the connection between the Pig and the Hills though, and the need to house-rule the Pig.

asparagus · « **Reply #34 on:** May 25, 2014, 07:47:30 AM »

Quote from: Carcking on May 25, 2014, 07:14:43 AM

I'm struggling to see the connection between the Pig and the Hills though, and the need to house-rule the Pig.

I think this is based on my misunderstanding.

Consider a scenario where there is a farm where black has a follower and a pig, and green has a follower but no pig. I thought - and I thought everyone else agreed - that the black pig was ineffective because black did not have sole ownership. I was proposing a house rule where the black pig would be effective in this case.

It seems that I was wrong and that my proposed house rule is actually the official rule. However I do not think the published or even the CAR are as clear on this as they might be.

So if you go back to what I thought the official rule was, then maybe the analogy between pigs and hills will be clear. That is that tweaking features are only effective when the situation has a certain level of clarity.

kettlefish · « **Reply #35 on:** May 25, 2014, 07:53:56 AM »

A question:
What has this discussion about the pig to do with my Clarification of rules - Email with HiG - 05 05 2014?

Perhaps it is better to split this topic...

obervet · « **Reply #36 on:** May 25, 2014, 09:07:14 AM »

Quote from: asparagus on May 25, 2014, 07:47:30 AM

Quote from: Carcking on May 25, 2014, 07:14:43 AM
I'm struggling to see the connection between the Pig and the Hills though, and the need to house-rule the Pig.

I think this is based on my misunderstanding.

Consider a scenario where there is a farm where black has a follower and a pig, and green has a follower but no pig. I thought - and I thought everyone else agreed - that the black pig was ineffective because black did not have sole ownership. I was proposing a house rule where the black pig would be effective in this case.

It seems that I was wrong and that my proposed house rule is actually the official rule. However I do not think the published or even the CAR are as clear on this as they might be.

So if you go back to what I thought the official rule was, then maybe the analogy between pigs and hills will be clear. That is that tweaking features are only effective when the situation has a certain level of clarity.

I have adjusted the statement in the CAR to note that the pig applies when the owner has a majority or is in a tie for the majority.

Carcking · « **Reply #37 on:** May 25, 2014, 09:25:55 PM »

Quote from: asparagus on May 25, 2014, 07:47:30 AM

So if you go back to what I thought the official rule was, then maybe the analogy between pigs and hills will be clear. That is that tweaking features are only effective when the situation has a certain level of clarity.

Thanks. Got it. Glad obervet added clarity in the CAR.

asparagus · « **Reply #38 on:** May 26, 2014, 12:52:59 AM »

Quote from: Carcking on May 25, 2014, 09:25:55 PM

Quote from: asparagus on May 25, 2014, 07:47:30 AM
So if you go back to what I thought the official rule was, then maybe the analogy between pigs and hills will be clear. That is that tweaking features are only effective when the situation has a certain level of clarity.

Thanks. Got it. Glad obervet added clarity in the CAR.

thanks to Carcking and Obervet.