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Title: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Meepledrone on January 01, 2021, 03:44:01 PM
What do you think this means ?

https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele/posts/10159111054877299 (https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele/posts/10159111054877299)

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Congrats Gunho for your first post!

You help us start the year with hope in what's to come! Thanks!

Have you being playing Carcassonne for long? A C1 or a C2 fan? Small games or Mega Carcassonne?

Happy New Year!

 
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: corinthiens13 on January 02, 2021, 02:42:31 AM
20 year edition with every remaining expansions converted to CII (WoF, tunnel, plague, wind roses, school, Darmstadt, catapult  ;D , Games quarterly, Cathars, tunnel, little buildings,  why not city gates and easter in carcassonne  ;D )

Just kidding  ;D
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Meepledrone on January 02, 2021, 02:54:07 AM
What if they release a Catapult Gold Edition?  >:D
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: DrMeeple on January 02, 2021, 03:52:18 AM
The image with the faded covers I think gives an important clue and the change of font ... Surely the fact that they change the font is related to a change in the illustrations together with not showing the cover completely ...
If in the end it turns out to be a C2 with a new box and meeples of other material like the 10th anniversary edition, HiG will definitely enter my blacklist ...


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Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Willem on January 02, 2021, 04:02:23 AM
I think it will be a 20th anniversary edition, but similarly to the special collectors edition, it will be a base game, maybe with the first and/or second big expansion.
They'll want not just us buying it, but also people who don't have any Carcassonne games yet.
Would be interesting if it's a new CIII style, but let's see.
If it's a bit more affordable than the collectors edition, I'll probably end up buying it
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Bumsakalaka on January 02, 2021, 04:10:16 AM
Well. I hope that it will be something new, not only C3 design. But it looks like it will be.
2000 - Released C1
2014 - Released C2 (14 years after C1)
2021 - Released? C3 (7 years after C2) - it is not good year to make it new.
It it will be true, why they republish Winter edition in old design this year?
Fixed years. Thanks for correction.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: gabrielgeek on January 02, 2021, 04:12:51 AM
Here in Italy we're still waiting for the C2 versions of exp. 5 and 8. If HiG released a new C3 edition it would be beyond ridiculous.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: gabrielgeek on January 02, 2021, 04:16:21 AM
Well. I hope that it will be something new, not only C3 design. But it looks like it will be.
2000 - Released C1
2012 - Released C2 (12 years after C1)
2021 - Released? C3 (9 years after C2) - it is good year to make it new.
It it will be true, why they republish Winter edition in old design this year?
C2 first appeared in 2014.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: DrMeeple on January 02, 2021, 04:50:12 AM
Here in Italy we're still waiting for the C2 versions of exp. 5 and 8. If HiG released a new C3 edition it would be beyond ridiculous.
Here in Spain didn’t released exp 10 in C2 style by Devir... But you can buy exp 5 and 8 on cundco... Rules you can always translate on internet... Not a big deal...


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Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: gabrielgeek on January 02, 2021, 04:59:55 AM
Here in Italy we're still waiting for the C2 versions of exp. 5 and 8. If HiG released a new C3 edition it would be beyond ridiculous.
Here in Spain didn’t released exp 10 in C2 style by Devir... But you can buy exp 5 and 8 on cundco... Rules you can always translate on internet... Not a big deal...


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I would rather support the local publisher. I have everything officially released in Italian by Giochi Uniti for both C1 and C2. But that's not the point. It doesn't make sense from a business perspective to release a new edition after just 7 years when some of your international partners are currently "at the printer" with several expansions in the current edition.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: inigomartinez on January 02, 2021, 06:21:25 AM
Here in Italy we're still waiting for the C2 versions of exp. 5 and 8. If HiG released a new C3 edition it would be beyond ridiculous.
Here in Spain didn’t released exp 10 in C2 style by Devir... But you can buy exp 5 and 8 on cundco... Rules you can always translate on internet... Not a big deal...


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We (in Spain) are also missing expansion 6  :-\

I also hope that they don't move to a newer design (CIII).
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: TGD on January 02, 2021, 07:21:13 AM
Likely a 20th Anniversary edition, just like the 10th one. C3 is in my opinion highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Bumsakalaka on January 02, 2021, 08:52:19 AM
Well. I hope that it will be something new, not only C3 design. But it looks like it will be.
2000 - Released C1
2012 - Released C2 (12 years after C1)
2021 - Released? C3 (9 years after C2) - it is good year to make it new.
It it will be true, why they republish Winter edition in old design this year?
C2 first appeared in 2014.
Thanks for correction. I remember that it is smaller difference between C2 and year 2021. :)

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Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Bumsakalaka on January 02, 2021, 08:54:16 AM
Here in Italy we're still waiting for the C2 versions of exp. 5 and 8. If HiG released a new C3 edition it would be beyond ridiculous.
Here in Spain didn’t released exp 10 in C2 style by Devir... But you can buy exp 5 and 8 on cundco... Rules you can always translate on internet... Not a big deal...


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We (in Spain) are also missing expansion 6  :-\

I also hope that they don't move to a newer design (CIII).
It is funny, because in Czeck rep. And Slovakia some of large C2 expansions was released again because they free sold out.
Maybe Devir has still on stock this expansion in C1. who knows :)

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Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Bumsakalaka on January 12, 2021, 02:16:01 PM
Maybe Wheel of fortune edition:with festival 20?

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Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Carcatronn on February 17, 2021, 10:42:07 PM
I'm having a thought about the 15 new tiles for the special expansion...beyond the extended river tiles. So, the picture shows that it looks like there will be some festival tiles. The last two festivals both added 10 tiles each, but the description says 15....so maybe 10 festival plus something else??? -  :pink-meeple:

So for some reason I interpreted “anniversary-mini-expansion” as the Festival tiles we’ve seen with 10yr and 15yr, but maybe it’s not a Festival pack this time?? I mean, going with their theme, we gotta expect a 20yr Festival, but maybe that’s not this pack? Ugh, now I’m back on the “this might be worth it” train  ::) :neutral-meeple:

Also, hearing the news from Z-Man and their delay, maybe I might just get a German copy - this community has been fantastic with translation  8)
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: corinthiens13 on February 17, 2021, 10:47:14 PM
It's 15 tiles instead of 10 for festival, so it's either a different festival, either a new mini  :D

I'll definitely buy a German copy and not wait for a French release (I'm not even sure if there will be a French release, and if there's one, it's still going to take even more time to be available in Switzerland)  :yellow-meeple:

I'm gonna train my rusted German a little bit  ;)
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: corinthiens13 on February 17, 2021, 10:56:38 PM
Oh, it could also be... 11th expansion with 15 tiles  :D :D :D

But I don't think so  :-\
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: DIN0 on February 18, 2021, 07:37:42 AM
Why does everybody think it is a festival?  :o Because of the little guy running around with a 20 flag? That is most likely just one of the easter eggs mentioned, not the expansion.
The first festival had 10 tiles because it was 10th anniversary, 15th anniversary didn't have 15 tiles but still 10, and was essentially a reprint for CII. It wouldn't make sense for it to be 15 tiles if they finally decided to update the tile count, and we already have CII festival anyway. And if you say it is really 20 tiles becuse of 5 extra river tiles, that doesn't make sense either, because who would make use of 5 festivals on the river at the beginning of the game?

I think it is something new, or CII reprint of something which we haven't seen.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Allograft on February 18, 2021, 09:24:54 AM
Maybe a pictorial representation of my speculation would work best
1) 5 new river tiles
2) ten 20th festival tiles (yea because of the flag) and yes 10 because last two festivals were ten tiles
3) 5 still as yet unexplained new mini-expansion tiles

But it’s all speculation
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: MeepleFriend on February 18, 2021, 09:58:52 AM
We need a poll ;)
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Allograft on February 18, 2021, 10:06:23 AM
We need a poll ;)

Speculation poll?
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Meepledrone on February 18, 2021, 11:31:34 AM
I agree. No festival...

And there is no 15-tile C1 expansion as far as I remember...  >:D

It is something new.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Weetek23 on February 19, 2021, 12:54:44 AM
I still hope that, despite the necessary and actually probably very nice festival looking, these 15 tiles are two "something else" miniexpansions. There were already two editions of The Festival and frankly, while routinely mixing F10 or F15 into the play tiles, we very seldom actually use the mechanics. To me, yet another version of The Festival would be a dissapointment.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: PurpleMeeple on February 19, 2021, 08:49:05 AM
I'm having a thought about the 15 new tiles for the special expansion...beyond the extended river tiles. So, the picture shows that it looks like there will be some festival tiles. The last two festivals both added 10 tiles each, but the description says 15....so maybe 10 festival plus something else??? -  :pink-meeple:

So for some reason I interpreted “anniversary-mini-expansion” as the Festival tiles we’ve seen with 10yr and 15yr, but maybe it’s not a Festival pack this time?? I mean, going with their theme, we gotta expect a 20yr Festival, but maybe that’s not this pack? Ugh, now I’m back on the “this might be worth it” train  ::) :neutral-meeple:


Why does everybody think it is a festival?  :o Because of the little guy running around with a 20 flag? That is most likely just one of the easter eggs mentioned, not the expansion.
The first festival had 10 tiles because it was 10th anniversary, 15th anniversary didn't have 15 tiles but still 10, and was essentially a reprint for CII. It wouldn't make sense for it to be 15 tiles if they finally decided to update the tile count, and we already have CII festival anyway. And if you say it is really 20 tiles becuse of 5 extra river tiles, that doesn't make sense either, because who would make use of 5 festivals on the river at the beginning of the game?

I think it is something new, or CII reprint of something which we haven't seen.

Looking at those tile images I agree that the group with the guy carrying the 20 flag is possibly an Easter egg.. That group could almost be construed as Peasant Revolts trigger.

The party tables depicted on that tile and the city tile behind it are the more likely indicators for the anniversary expansion tiles I feel - if of course they are not just Easter Eggs too - They do however fit with a festival or celebratory theme, which of course is still appropriate for an anniversary.

More specifically though, they look like represent a Street Party or Straßenfest (and personally I quite like that as an expansion name, especially in German).  Street Parties in the UK are typically held for things like Coronations or Jubilees although they are 5 years early for calling it a jubilee*, aesthetically speaking, it should be a 25th anniversary (in English anyway, I have no idea if that applies in German, see below**)

Hopefully it will have a unique mechanic in addition to a unique name, rather than just being Festival 20.

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The premium box contains the base game, as well as the mini-expansions “the river” (with 5 brand new river tiles), “the abbot” and an “anniversary-mini-expansion” (consisting of 15 never-before-seen tiles).

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In der edlen Box kommt das Grundspiel, sowie die Mini-Erweiterungen „Der Fluss“ (mit zusätzlichen 5 ganz neuen Fluss-Plättchen) , „der Abt“ , sowie eine „Jubiläumsmini-Erweiterung“ (bestehend aus bisher nicht dagewesenen 15 Plättchen).

The quote appears clear that the 15 tiles belong to the mini expansion so I do not think we are getting 2 minis here (bar the 5 extra river).  I do hope however that “anniversary-mini-expansion” / „Jubiläumsmini-Erweiterung“ isn't the actual name of the expansion, I like my idea better  :P  :D

* [Subject to how well it translates***] Part Prediction / Part Suggestion for 5 years time  ;)  Watch this space  ;D

** Translations according to Google

English to German
Street Party  =   Straßenfest
Jubilee         =   Jubiläum
Anniversary  =   Jahrestag

German to English
Straßenfest   =  Street Party
Jubiläum       =  Anniversary
Jahrestag      =  Anniversary

*** Shucks  ::)

Speculation is fun  ;D

This appears to be coming out at wrong time of the year but Oktoberfest would be another good name and potentially fun theme for a mini (or homebrew)  expansion (Carcassonne for Adults comes to mind lol).

Kind Regards,
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Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Gagoune on February 20, 2021, 02:21:24 PM
I think this anniversary expansion could also use the Watertowers  those pictures are not already officially used in any expansion, right ?

I don't think a new festival could fit their way of re-print C1 exps... Do we have 2 C1 Minis that have got 15 tiles when you add their tiles ? (and those two mminis should be related because they do ptell about it as only one expansion !)

No, in my opinion, a brand new C2 expansion (that could also fit as a 11th Exp.  O:-) )...
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: PurpleMeeple on February 21, 2021, 02:02:38 AM
20 tiles, with the extra river tiles included, could be enough for an 11th expansion however some sort of new ‘wood’ would be in order, be it a new meeple / follower type(s) or something akin to bridges / tower floors / dragon & fairy / count.

This of course opens a whole other avenues of speculation to partake in :) 20th anniversary does seem an ideal time to add the 20th meeple to the set (‘full’ sets currently being 19 meeple (sans phantoms anyway), but what might it/they be?

If the theme is still along lines of festival / celebration then the previous anniversary mini expansions stayed as just that and did not subsequently become part of a boxed expansion, so if 11th expansion is on the cards this year then that could be entirely new content (like Under The Big Top).

Also I recon 20th Anniversary is a good time to have another Carcassonne related Spiel Doch with a new bonus (micro?) expansion - the two 'Spiel' 'Doch' tiles might seem a bit meh but I actually quite like the Labyrinth :)

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Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: corinthiens13 on March 04, 2021, 09:47:48 PM
I hope that's just an overly stylised image because the river water looks like a really bad Photoshop embossing filter. And I'm not a fan of the huge 20 on top of the hill. I like the concept, though. If this is real, it seems to suggest that one of the new River tiles will be a second lake tile (or something equivalent). The real question is: does this count as one or two tiles in the "5 new River tiles" number?

If this tile is real...

We'll be able to ask HiG about interraction of double tiles with every major AND minor expansions  :D
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Decar on March 04, 2021, 11:37:07 PM
I'm assuming whoever finishes that road will get 20 points.

It seems like they're addressing some of the issues with rivers creating large farms too.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Bumsakalaka on March 05, 2021, 12:45:02 AM
@Meepledrone: NEw we know why was Johanes from HiG so kindfull and made clarrification about double tiles. One is part of 20th anniversary edition so whey have to update rules for this.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Bumsakalaka on March 05, 2021, 12:50:15 AM
What do you think? Those cities are very full of houses, aren't they?
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Meepledrone on March 05, 2021, 12:51:23 AM
Well well well...

Here we have an issue: a new river tile river part of the base game with road and city segments and four fields ... A ringmaster placed on it should receive bonus points during scoring, right?  >:D
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Bumsakalaka on March 05, 2021, 12:53:49 AM
We have deffinitely River 4 with double tile spring, lake with Monastery and city, island on river, boat
And miniexpansion 20.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Meepledrone on March 05, 2021, 12:57:30 AM
Ooooooh! In the picture you can see some tiles of the new mini expansion featuring blue arrows with meeples or squares in them...

Placing two meeples? Rotating meeples? Extra tile draws? Any hints?
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Bumsakalaka on March 05, 2021, 01:12:40 AM
Ooooooh! In the picture you can see some tiles of the new mini expansion featuring blue arrows with meeples or squares in them...

Placing two meeples? Rotating meeples? Extra tile draws? Any hints?

Who knows (HiG of course and partners). But it's look like
a) Festival '20 with direction in which direction you can remove player
b) Magic portal variation with direction where in which part of row you can place meeple
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: danisthirty on March 05, 2021, 01:37:10 AM
Ooooooh! In the picture you can see some tiles of the new mini expansion featuring blue arrows with meeples or squares in them...

Placing two meeples? Rotating meeples? Extra tile draws? Any hints?

Who knows (HiG of course and partners). But it's look like
a) Festival '20 with direction in which direction you can remove player
b) Magic portal variation with direction where in which part of row you can place meeple

and also...

c) the three green meeples in the bottom-right corner are being used to prevent both yellow from completing his city and black from completing his cloister. I like this interesting new strategic twist regarding the placement of meeples that are yet to be placed on the landscape :(y)
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Meepledrone on March 05, 2021, 02:14:56 AM
Now the river start tile is a double-sized one, double-sized tiles have gone mainstream. Any complaints about one tile but 2 spaces?
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: corinthiens13 on March 05, 2021, 02:29:05 AM
Now the river start tile is a double-sized one, double-sized tiles have gone mainstream. Any complaints about one tile but 2 spaces?

For the sake of simplicity, I hope HiG is gonna come with a rule stating a double tile "is considered as two tiles, virtually separated, scored like any other two tiles next to each other, and a meeple on a German castle (the only feature that can not be virtually separated between the two tiles) is considered as a meeple on a castle, with 6 adjacent tiles "

This would solve most rule's problems and be easy to apply :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: DIN0 on March 05, 2021, 02:44:30 AM
Hurray, new expansion confirmed! I love the double tile spring!
The new expansion seems to have following functions: 1) placing two meeples, 2) festival effect - place or remove a meeple, 3) draw two tiles.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Bumsakalaka on March 05, 2021, 04:30:41 AM
I think, for every celebration of tile +1 point.
For celebrants on road +1 point.
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Bumsakalaka on March 05, 2021, 04:32:07 AM
Now the river start tile is a double-sized one, double-sized tiles have gone mainstream. Any complaints about one tile but 2 spaces?
Johanes (HiG) was very king about double tiles. Now we know why :D
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Meepledrone on March 05, 2021, 05:58:22 AM
Now the river start tile is a double-sized one, double-sized tiles have gone mainstream. Any complaints about one tile but 2 spaces?
Johanes (HiG) was very king about double tiles. Now we know why :D

Yes, they seem to have been discussing double-sized tiles for a while... But still nees to solve some issues.  ;)
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Meepledrone on March 05, 2021, 06:01:31 AM
Regarding the new expansionn, I guess the arrows in the tiles indicate the action affect ot is triggered by the placement of an adjacent tile. Please pay attention to the arrows...

One other thing: Did you notice the back of the tiles in the picture? They haven't changed... So backward compatibility is ensured.  ;D
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Allograft on March 05, 2021, 10:12:50 AM

and also...

c) the three green meeples in the bottom-right corner are being used to prevent both yellow from completing his city and black from completing his cloister. I like this interesting new strategic twist regarding the placement of meeples that are yet to be placed on the landscape :(y)

Well, Phantom was a Meeple-only C1 expansion...so maybe this is part of a transdimensional C2.5 expansion, also with no tiles?  -  :pink-meeple:
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Decar on March 05, 2021, 12:14:52 PM
One version or another of the rules didn't allow for U-bends.

Now there are 2 rivers, is it possible to connect them before all the river tiles are placed?
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Allograft on March 05, 2021, 12:22:34 PM
House rules - combine with River II and Princess and Dragon for one three forks to combine into one lake with a volcano at the end? Muhahahahaha -  :pink-meeple:
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Gagoune on March 05, 2021, 02:54:54 PM
Thanks for sharing those pictures ! Where did you find them ? I can't see them on CarcF? :-[
It seems the new expansion will finally be a new version of the Festival ! :-\
I did hope to discover something new... But this expansion's rules could add some spice on the game because you wouldn't be able to choose between place or take your meeple back!
I'm not sure to understand the arrows in the right way: do they show the tile where the action take place? Or the direction you must apply it (regardless of the number of tiles in that direction, if you have a possibility to do so, you must do so...)?
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Decar on March 06, 2021, 12:29:04 AM
I suspect HiG will do what they think is best, regardless of what they've done previously.

I'm disappointed that Bertie didn't make it into the Czech rulebook  >:(
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Meepledrone on March 06, 2021, 12:46:07 AM
Bertie mush be in lockdown...  ???
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Decar on March 06, 2021, 12:48:11 AM
Since 2015  :(
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Meepledrone on March 06, 2021, 01:21:22 AM
Since 2015  :(

Tell Bertie to show up. We have double-sized tiles, magic portals, crop circles and double turns in the base game now...

And multiple scorings during your turn at unspecified moments that may interfere with robbers and messages... and sending a meeple to Carcassonne.

This is gonna be total fun! Picture an abbot and a meeple sharing a monastery, or placing the abbot multiple times on the same monastery and scoring it partially... Or creating a castle with multiple meeples...  Shall we discuss ringmasters bonus when a ringmaster is placed on the double-sized river source tile? What about multiple meeples on a watchtower tile sharing the same feature? Will be be threatened with the Prime Directive?
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: DIN0 on March 06, 2021, 01:27:18 AM
That's ok, sleepy brains are known to miss things  ;D
What I find interesting about this pseudo-crop circle, is that it is not "job specific". You can add meeples to anything, not just knights, thieves and monks. Imagine multiple meeples on WoF crown spaces, or on the tower top, or acrobat pyramid :o
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: corinthiens13 on March 06, 2021, 01:31:25 AM
That's ok, sleepy brains are known to miss things  ;D
What I find interesting about this pseudo-crop circle, is that it is not "job specific". You can add meeples to anything, not just knights, thieves and monks. Imagine multiple meeples on WoF crown spaces, or on the tower top, or acrobat pyramid :o

That'd be nonsense  :o
It probably has to be on features only, so not on tower, WoF crown, City of Carcassonne, Leipzig...
Title: Re: Re: Announcement from Hans Im Gluck
Post by: Meepledrone on March 06, 2021, 01:37:31 AM
Yep... I would rule out special areas including Exp. 8 castles (Should we?  >:D). Only regular features should be considered that is, those features where you can place a meeple normally.

I'm interested is reading the response to what happens when you score a watchtower with two meeples on the same city segment.  >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: DIN0 on March 06, 2021, 09:45:29 AM
Well, as of right now there is no limitation. The rules specifically say you can add to a meeple "anywhere on the play area", so the reach is the same as festival, but  unlike festival this works on meeples only (no special figures).
The Tower could be ruled out based on the physical (in)stability of the whole construct. But City of Carcassonne, Liepzig and crown spaces could work easily. The castles definately shouldn't be ruled out. Acrobat pyramid is not that weird at all on the second thought, you would just add another acrobat as if you would under normal rules - as long as it is stable.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: rivellangel on March 18, 2021, 11:47:24 AM
Hi there, if this helps I've found the rules in Czech
Basic rules: https://mindok.cz/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/cz-carcassonne-anniversary-pravidla-na-web.pdf
Advanced and new rules: https://mindok.cz/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/cz-carcassonne-anniversary-dodatek-na-web.pdf
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Allograft on March 18, 2021, 12:23:10 PM
Advanced and new rules: https://mindok.cz/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/cz-carcassonne-anniversary-dodatek-na-web.pdf

Well done! Merit!

Google Translation for the 15 tile extension starting on Page 3. I have not included translations for the picture captions:

Extension of the jubilee release
To convince the famous jubilee as much as possible, we tried to process this issue better, with nicely "glorious" illustrations, and we also added 20 brand new cards. Five of them, including the double-start "spring" to expand the river. The remaining 15 is a separate mini-grooming referring to three large extensions of the basic game that you may also know (if not, it does not matter, it does not affect the game with this mini-grinding).
 
Game material and preparation of the game
15 Flashes of this extension is divided into 3 groups of 5.
Each group belongs to one of these symbols.

1. Putting the card
Clote with the symbol according to all usual rules. According to which side is heading the arrow symbol, the following situations may occur:
• The new card with the symbol is enclosed by the arrow
to no adjacent card. The symbol is not activated. A player who has applied to the carrier gets 2 points, otherwise his move is as usual.
• The new card with the symbol is included so that the arrow is directed to the collection of the card. The symbol is activated and the appropriate action can be performed (see below).
• The conventional card without a symbol is enclosed by touching the flashcard with the side of the arrow. The symbol is activated and the appropriate action can be performed (see below).

2. Placing the Drušiník
The newly enclosed card with the symbol can be placed figurine according to all common rules.

However, if the symbol has been activated, you have the following options depending on what symbol is:
Instead of the location of the figurine on the card that you can add one of your Drušiník to another to another, anywhere on the game plan, so there will be two with each other.
Attention - You must not have a third partition for two existing ones.

--Page 4--

Instead of placing the figure on the card just attached, you can
place any piece on any unoccupied and unclosed one
territory (road, town, meadow, monastery, or abbot to a monastery or
to the garden) anywhere on the game board - so it doesn't have to be right
enclosed card. Please note that even the meadows are completely demarcated
they are considered open, because they are always evaluated only at the final evaluation at the end of the game.

3. Extra move
By activating this symbol you get an extra move. First, complete your turn according to all the usual rules,
in which the symbol was activated, then make a complete next move. Caution - if you have to reactivate this symbol in it, it will have no effect. You won't get a third move in a row without interruption.
You can also activate the other two symbols in an additional move.

Summary


[2 meeple symbol] You can add your companion to another of your companions on the game board, so you will have 2 there (there can be a maximum of 2 companions in one place).

[1 meeple symbol] You may place your piece on any unoccupied and unenclosed area anywhere on the game board.

[2 tile symbol] You have another extra move (maximum two moves in a row).

Details of illustrations
You must have noticed the new details on the cards. The meaning of coats of arms and gardens is certainly clear to you. You will find more. Some elements (eg stables or farms) refer to certain mini-distributions that have not yet been localized into Czech. It is possible that they will appear in our country in the future.
This also applies to road bandits. They look different than usual (no wonder, they also celebrate), but they apply like regular bandits if you play with the appropriate mini-expansion (hopefully they'll be a little more accommodating). In addition, we have included in the illustrations other celebratory characters and all sorts of other references to other games from the Carcassonne family and not only them. Can you find them all? None of this has any effect on the game.

Thanks MINDOK
Thank you to everyone who has supported Carcassonne in those 20 years. Especially for those players who like to return to this great game even after such a time. Also to all who are in charge,
that the game will get from us to you, ie all honest traders and sellers. Last but not least, the organizers of all game festivals, fairs and other meetings where we are
they could always and will always meet with you in the future. Thank you very much.

Thanks to the original publisher
We would like to express our gratitude to all those who have accompanied us for 20 years:
Colleagues from the publishing house, who tirelessly developed, tested, prepared, corrected, organized, communicated, explained, etc ...
Graphic artists and illustrators who tirelessly painted and designed cards, boxes, rules and cardboard sheets of chips.
Supporters who organized festivals, fairs and various meetings with fans for us.
Manufacturers, traders and sellers, without whom the game would not reach anyone.
Of course, to all players (ie you!) Who love the game, without you none of this would be possible!
And finally, of course, to the author, Klaus-Jürgen Wredo, who had entrusted his idea to us so long ago and was still diligently supplementing it with new and new ideas. Thanks for the trust! We are looking forward to the next 20 years and more ...

-  :pink-meeple:
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Decar on March 18, 2021, 12:42:33 PM
Make sure you give yourself a merit Allograft, you shared these links a couple of days ago!

Czech instructions as linked to from CarcF

https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=5262&sid=c5449613f3deb614fdb62ebe7d97d343&start=30#p72061
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Allograft on March 18, 2021, 01:05:28 PM
Make sure you give yourself a merit Allograft, you shared these links a couple of days ago!


Did I? Oh my. I guess it took a second pass to register for me and to think about running the Google translate. I am finishing a big project...maybe I was too busy a couple of weeks ago for it all to fully register in the mind. The brain wasn't enough. The mind has to grasp. -  :pink-meeple:
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: rivellangel on March 18, 2021, 01:25:18 PM
Ah sorry, couldn't see it shared anywhere, my bad
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: DIN0 on March 18, 2021, 01:39:04 PM
Huh?  :o I don't understand. The rules were already posted and translated 12 days ago by Allograft and me respectivelly.
What is new?
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Decar on March 18, 2021, 02:06:31 PM
Ah sorry, couldn't see it shared anywhere, my bad

Hi rivellangel, no need to apologies, it's good to provide links again in case someone missed them.
It just made me chuckle that Allograft forgot he looked at them 12 days ago!

Welcome to the forum btw, great to see another Brit join us  :(y)

Allograft, you must be working pretty hard. I hope you can take it easy over the weekend, and maybe play a game or two to help relax.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: rivellangel on March 18, 2021, 02:41:48 PM
Huh?  :o I don't understand. The rules were already posted and translated 12 days ago by Allograft and me respectivelly.
What is new?

Yeah, my bad, I didn't see it in the announcements section. I was browsing the Mindok site today for something else and saw it.


Welcome to the forum btw, great to see another Brit join us  :(y)

Thanks, I've lurked a bit for a while (mainly the selling page) but signed up because I incorrectly thought I'd found something new.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Allograft on March 18, 2021, 05:47:54 PM
Huh?  :o I don't understand. The rules were already posted and translated 12 days ago by Allograft and me respectivelly.
What is new?

OMG. So true. I looked back and saw that we did this on March 5. I'm just gonna sit by myself in the dark corner over at stage left. -  :pink-meeple:
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Allograft on March 18, 2021, 05:48:58 PM
Ah sorry, couldn't see it shared anywhere, my bad

Hi rivellangel, no need to apologies, it's good to provide links again in case someone missed them.


hehehehehe.....Yup! like me!!!! -  :pink-meeple:
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: DIN0 on March 18, 2021, 07:21:48 PM
Ah, ok now I understand  ;D I thought that someone found a revised version of the rules or something.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Decar on March 19, 2021, 12:30:13 AM
Thanks, I've lurked a bit for a while (mainly the selling page) but signed up because I incorrectly thought I'd found something new.

Well glad you decided to lurk no longer. Appreciate you taking the time to sign up and share something  :(y)
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Christianmocking on March 23, 2021, 02:06:09 PM
New pics!!!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210323/69b2d74df6ae1e7784920b5a9f014451.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210323/b9b62cb5db15b7dc46273dac4825f688.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210323/84c9d0d30967164435892da5fb2ccd50.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210323/23a0a72f65cbd623eb76dab652651dfa.jpg)
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: rivellangel on March 24, 2021, 08:35:07 AM
ZMAN have it on their site now as not yet released with a price of $49.99

https://www.zmangames.com/en/products/carcassonne-20th-anniversary/
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Allograft on March 24, 2021, 12:57:16 PM
Ooch. Another vendor has it for about €31. That's $38.75 at current conversion rate. That's a hell of a premium for a Stateside product. -  :pink-meeple:
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Bumsakalaka on March 24, 2021, 01:43:31 PM
Ooch. Another vendor has it for about €31. That's $38.75 at current conversion rate. That's a hell of a premium for a Stateside product. -  :pink-meeple:

Welcome in world where american product cost same price but in euro. So something for 200 USD costs 200 EUR in europe (apple products, microsoft windows when distributed in box, etc.)
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: corinthiens13 on March 24, 2021, 02:01:07 PM
New pics!!!

Thanks for sharing. It looks like the meeples are painted, not stickered, this may make them interesting  :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Allograft on March 24, 2021, 02:28:02 PM
Welcome in world where american product cost same price but in euro. So something for 200 USD costs 200 EUR in europe (apple products, microsoft windows when distributed in box, etc.)

touché -  :pink-meeple:
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: totec55 on March 24, 2021, 05:12:21 PM
Thanks for sharing. It looks like the meeples are painted, not stickered, this may make them interesting  :yellow-meeple:

They do look painted, but the descriptions states "meeple stickers" on the Z-man page.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: corinthiens13 on March 24, 2021, 09:57:54 PM
Thanks for sharing. It looks like the meeples are painted, not stickered, this may make them interesting  :yellow-meeple:

They do look painted, but the descriptions states "meeple stickers" on the Z-man page.

Oh, too sad  :'(

Ooch. Another vendor has it for about €31. That's $38.75 at current conversion rate. That's a hell of a premium for a Stateside product. -  :pink-meeple:

Welcome in world where american product cost same price but in euro. So something for 200 USD costs 200 EUR in europe (apple products, microsoft windows when distributed in box, etc.)

Don't worry, be happy! In my world, no matter the price in USD and Euro, the price is always higher in Switzerland! Even Swiss made products are cheaper abroad , it's often interesting to buy them online abroad even with the shipping costs :o

https://www.400coups.ch/carcassonne-edition-limitee-20eme-anniversaire.html (https://www.400coups.ch/carcassonne-edition-limitee-20eme-anniversaire.html)
The jubilee edition is CHF 47.90, that's 43.30 Euros, and 400coups is usually the cheapest board game vendor here (hopefully Carcassonne comes from one of our neighboring countries, else it'd cost more)  :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Allograft on March 24, 2021, 10:10:19 PM
Even Swiss made products are cheaper abroad , it's often interesting to buy them online abroad even with the shipping costs :o


Errrr. Errrrrr...resisting the urge to delve in geo-economical political and policy decisions .... >:D

Success!

-  :pink-meeple:
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Whaleyland on March 25, 2021, 12:57:56 AM
For those decrying cheaper US prices, remember that all Euro prices include VAT/GST. American prices have that added on. Sure it's usually no more than 8.5%, but that's still on top of the list price. So a $40 game is actually $43.50 after tax, while a €40 game is currently $47.25. Still a bit more, but not quite so much.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: dirk2112 on March 25, 2021, 12:46:16 PM
So the new tiles have arrows and they let you add a follower to another of your followers, add a follower to an unoccupied / incomplete feature, or take another turn.   Who phoned this in?
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Decar on March 25, 2021, 12:48:31 PM
The Czech publisher decided to publish the rules about 2 months before anyone else.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: dirk2112 on March 25, 2021, 12:49:28 PM
I meant who barely put any thought into the rules  :(n)
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Decar on March 25, 2021, 12:53:30 PM
Ah, I think it's a pretty reasonable expansion. The invocation of the tiles is novel, and the actions are quite powerful for the base game. Remember this is a refresh of the base game release. Probably targeting new players considering buying a copy as much as the old timers. The double meeple is a little strange, but I think the other two actions are game changers.

Ultimately one of the tiles has a Hans Im Glueck statue in it, so I'm sold.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: dirk2112 on March 25, 2021, 01:01:25 PM
You were probably going to buy it regardless.   I would too if I had everything else that they made. 

I don't have a new art base set and was considering getting this, but I really don't want to give them money for this half hearted attempt.  I also need to talk other people out of buying it for me.   :-\
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Bumsakalaka on March 25, 2021, 02:35:13 PM
Thanks for sharing. It looks like the meeples are painted, not stickered, this may make them interesting  :yellow-meeple:

They do look painted, but the descriptions states "meeple stickers" on the Z-man page.

These pictureas are CGI renders, so this is reason why you didn't see "sticker".
Check edges of tiles, they are not rounded from top to sides. And also there is no UV printed on river.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Sinscerly on March 25, 2021, 02:36:10 PM
Spelspul.nl has a pre-order at 30 euro :)
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Bumsakalaka on March 25, 2021, 11:38:32 PM
So the new tiles have arrows and they let you add a follower to another of your followers, add a follower to an unoccupied / incomplete feature, or take another turn.   Who phoned this in?
I analyzed impact of these mini expansion and I can say it's good. It brings another random effect to the game and what is good it is in basa game.
When I spoke with some players they initial start up is Basic game, River (II or I - in this order), Expansion 1 and Expansion 2. This combination are for them "basic setup" or "complete basic game" - it means BigBox 6 without minis.

Anyway that add another meeple to your meeple is very good to have it in "basic" game. When you place tile and you have not majority on finished feature, you can turn points to your side! With add meeple you can get majority and win all points or, you can feature you was loosing with added meeple go to majority and got points for it.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Decar on March 26, 2021, 12:42:25 AM
You were probably going to buy it regardless.   I would too if I had everything else that they made. 

That's a fair shout.  At least the box isn't meeple shaped. I hate that thing, it never fits on the shelf  :'(
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Meepledrone on March 26, 2021, 02:06:45 AM
I've been thinking that now that a base game bundle includes double-sized tiles, magic portals and adding multiple meeples to the same feature on a tile, HiG should be open to clarify some situations involving mini expansions. Let's see if this can happen. Maybe they would gracefully decline to clarify some cases, but now you can generate all kinds of insteresting situations with the new double-sized river source tile alone involving watchtowers, ringmasters, the big top, castles, German castles... in combination with the Jubilee expansion

I have mixed feelings about this, since there are a number of situations that may show up when scoring for occupied square spaces (areas) that haven't been clarified yet, for example:
* Triggering a watchtower scoring with multiple meeples:
   - Multiple meeples may occupy the same city or road segment on a watchtower tile.
   - Multiple meeples may occupy the several city or road segment on a watchtower tile.
* Watchtowers scoring for meeples:
   - Meeples to consider on adjacent double-sized tiles: full tile vs. only adjacent halves.
   - Edge cases: roads and fields spanning across a double-sized tile
   - Scoring order when several completed features trigger the scoring of the same watchtower
* Watchtowers scoring for roads:
   - Areas with roads to consider on adjacent double-sized tiles: full tile vs. only adjacent halves.
   - Road segments counted by area or by full tile: considering different cases involving double-sized tiles and halfings
   - Edge cases: road regments spanning across a double-sized tile (Leipzig tiles)
* Watchtowers scoring for cities:
   - Areas with roads to consider on adjacent double-sized tiles: full tile vs. only adjacent halves.
* Ringmasters deployed to the new river source:
   - Area considered for bonus points when placed on the city segment, the road, on field on one half of the tile or spanning across the two halves
   - Any updated to rules ringmasters in a castle built overlapping the new river source
* Big Top scoring:
   - Meeples to consider on adjacent double-sized tiles: full tile vs. only adjacent halves.
   - Meeples to consider on castles overlapping adjacent double-sized tiles: full tile vs. only adjacent halves.
   - Edge cases: roads and fields spanning across a double-sized tile

Any clarification should cover all double-sized tiles due to their shared geometry... But some open issues may remain without an official confirmation regarding castles, German castles or Leipzig...

Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: rivellangel on March 26, 2021, 02:51:16 AM
https://zmangames.com/en/news/2021/3/25/announcing-carcassonne-20th-anniversary/

Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Sinscerly on March 26, 2021, 01:38:49 PM
You were probably going to buy it regardless.   I would too if I had everything else that they made. 

That's a fair shout.  At least the box isn't meeple shaped. I hate that thing, it never fits on the shelf  :'(

They atleast game a big supply of "phantoms"  O0, but o that box isn't fitting anywhere normal...

@meepledrone, I really hope they are going to offer some insights or more context about the double tiles.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: aenima on March 27, 2021, 12:22:03 AM
How will this new river be classified? River 4? the river 20th?  :o
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Decar on March 27, 2021, 12:37:20 AM
Neither so far. Randomly numbering things has been totally unhelpful, and left a lot of people confused about inconsistent nomenclature.

I think calling it what it is, is the most helpful. It's the River in the 20th Anniversary Edition. Or the 20th Jubilee River.  It's not available separately.

We discussed this here:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5031.msg75514#msg75514

If that fails I'm going to refer to it as River71.II.2b(.1)  which is clear in my mind.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: aenima on March 27, 2021, 12:50:34 AM

If that fails I'm going to refer to it as River71.II.2b(.1)  which is clear in my mind.

ahahahahah

Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: DIN0 on March 27, 2021, 07:32:06 AM
Quote
Neither so far. Randomly numbering things has been totally unhelpful, and left a lot of people confused about inconsistent nomenclature.

I think calling it what it is, is the most helpful. It's the River in the 20th Anniversary Edition. Or the 20th Jubilee River.  It's not available separately.

Well, the nomenclature itself is not inconsistent. There is River I and River II, that's it. There are numerous versions of those two, but no River III, or IV, or anything past II.

This new River is the only one that would warrant a new name due to brand new layout and tiles + other factors, but so far it is called just The River in the official rules.
I agree with the names River 20th Anniversary Edition, 20th Jubilee River.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Decar on March 27, 2021, 08:11:48 AM
Unfortunately that's not the case, as discussed in the other thread. ^

The River 3 became a thing. It's a rubbish name.
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Decar on March 27, 2021, 10:08:13 AM
Let's use another thread to discuss the River from other expansions :(y)
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Allograft on March 27, 2021, 10:12:33 AM
Indeed sir
Title: Re: Jubilee Speculation Thread
Post by: Decar on March 31, 2021, 02:58:20 AM
Ended this poll on the news post