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Re: Questions
« Reply #90 on: March 13, 2020, 02:47:24 PM »
And more questions left behind...

[121.] You (red) place a tile that complete a road occupied by blue, a city occupied by green and a monastery occupied by you. Who decide the order of scoring?

The active player, that is, you (Red), will be the one deciding the order of scoring when multiple features belonging to different players are scored.

This has been an open question for a long time, specially in relation to Robbers. So far, the clarifications addressed the case whereby one player had to score multiple features (deciding the order by himself/herself).

Allowing the active player to decide the scoring order of multiple features belonging to different players was suggested in some forum discussions but haven't been found in written rules until the release of "The Barber-Surgeons," where the scoring order is important the decide the occupation of free bathhouses by meeples involved in single-meeple scorings.

See here the last bullet in box "After Scoring a feature":
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Barber-Surgeons#After_scoring_a_feature

In other expansions when multiple features are involved in a scoring other criteria are applied:
* Castle scoring: a player with a castle with multiple features in a castle fief completed by one tile placement was the one to select the feature the castle would receive points from. See the updated rules here to remove the mistranslation by ZMG and footnote #14 about it:

  http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#cite_ref-14
 
* Teacher scoring: the player with the teacher would decide the feature to receive the points from if multiple features where completes by one tile placement; otherwise, if all the features belonged to the same player, such player would decide the evaluation order and the teacher would receive the points from the first one. See the clarification here:

  http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_School_(1st_edition)#cite_note-3

You can check the Order of Play to see all this together:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play

(66): Do you receive gold ingots after acrobat pyramid's scoring?

The Goldmines rules refer to the completion of a tile-based feature (in German, Bauwerk in C1 = building, structure, or Gebiet in C2 = area, enclosure, territory) as a trigger to distribute gold ingots. So this would rule out acrobat pyramids.

Besides, acrobat pyramids are meeple-based features scored earlier, in phase 2. Placing a meeple. Gold ingots are distributed after scoring tile-based features in phase 3. Scoring a feature.

You can check the Order of Play to see all this:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play
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Re: Questions
« Reply #91 on: March 15, 2020, 04:26:16 AM »
Can you place the shepherd on these tiles?
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Re: Questions
« Reply #92 on: March 15, 2020, 05:58:47 AM »
And more questions left behind...

[122.] Message 8: Can you score a meeple from a pyramid (even it contains 1, 2 or 3 meeples)?

Message 8 allows you to pick a meeple on a feature, score it and remove it in the following context:
* Majority is considered
* Applying after-the-game scoring rules

The interaction with an acrobat pyramid hasn't been clarified. The interpretation of the Message 8 rules does not provide any limitation about this case:
* Majority is not an issue for acrobats and, since Messages is an expansion released earlier than Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top, they could not foresee that you would be a figure-based feature such as an acrobat pyramid in the feature.
* The scoring of individual acrobats matches the scoring rules for acrobats after the game.

There is no explicit mention of removing meeples from an acrobat pyramid but The Festival would allow you to remove one acrobat at a time (even from a completed pyramid), since there is no limitation for this: the dragon would be allowed to remove all the meeples in a completed or incomplete acrobat pyramid in any case.

Just for the sake of completeness, the fairy, if assigned to a particular meeple in the pyramid, would provide bonus points but after removing the meeple it was assigned to, the other acrobats would stop benefitting from the fairy bonus points... The fairy would be standing by the pyramid but it will only provide protection from the dragon.

So, Message 8 was created with tile-based features in mind but the rules contain no limitation in order to apply it to acrobat pyramids. Nevertheless, an official clarification would be required.

You can check the wording for Message 8 here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages#The_Messages_Tiles

[123.] Can you remove a meeple from a pyramid with the Festival (even it contains 1, 2 or 3 meeples)?

As mentioned earlier, there is no explicit mention of removing meeples from an acrobat pyramid but The Festival would allow you to remove one acrobat at a time (even from a completed pyramid), since there is no limitation for this: the dragon would be allowed to remove all the meeples in a completed or incomplete acrobat pyramid in any case.

So, the rules don't contain anything to prevent a meeple to be removed from an acrobat pyramid no matter the number of meeples in it.

You can revisit The Festival rules here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival

[124.] What happens in a challenge if the heretic or the monk is eaten by dragon, and the shrine or the monastery is surrounded by 9 tiles?

During a challenge, if the monk or the heretic is eaten by the dragon (or removed by the action of any expansions), the challenge stops and the remaining figure will be scored as usual.

Check the clarifications provided here about the interaction of the dragon with a challenge.
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber#The_cultists_2

[125.] What happens if you lose 3 points (you are on -3) and receive later 3 points (in the same turn)?

If you ask this question with Mini #2 - The Messages and Mini #6 - The Robbers in mind, you may have different behaviors depending on the scoring events. The bottomline is that subtracting 3 points will not trigger any messages but scoring 3 points, depending on their origins, can trigger a message or not. Read on for a full detail... 

Regarding Mini #2 - The Messages and Mini #6 - The Robbers:
Case #1. Subtracting points (ransoming a captured meeple, buying back a meeple in a bathhouse or buying a tile in an auction) will not allow you to receive a message even if you land on a dark space. A robber on the same space as your scoring figure would move along with it (unless the robber's owner has the option to keep on the current space and decides so).
Case #2. Scoring points from features will allow you to receive a message if you land on a dark space. A robber on the same space as your scoring figure would steal points from it and the robber would be removed (unless the robber's owner has other options and decided accordingly).
Case #3. Scoring rogue points will allow you to receive a message if you land on a dark space. A robber on the same space as your scoring figure would move along with it (unless the robber's owner has the option to keep on the current space and decides so).
Case #4. Scoring points from selling a tile in an auction or from getting the ransom for a meeple captured by a tower will not allow you to receive a message even if you land on a dark space, as these scoring events do no define a round of scoring. A robber on the same space as your scoring figure would move along with it (unless the robber's owner has the option to keep on the current space and decides so).

As a side note:
* The Tower will not allow you to have a negative score to ransom a captured meeple
* A bazaar will allow you to have negative points as a result of buying tiles
* A Bathhouse will allow you to have a negative score to buy back your meeple.

You can revisit the rules here:
* The Messages (pay attention to section Rounds of Scoring): http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages
* The Robbers (including the interactions with The Messages): http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Robbers

[126.] Can you use the portal to place a meeple as abbot in a Monastery from Germany?

You can use a magic portal to deploy a meeple to an unoccupied German monastery. If you place the meeple as a monk or as an abbot is your choice. There is no restriction about this.

Please review the rules here. Please pay attention to the las two paragraphs in the 2. Placing a Meeple box:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Monasteries#2._Placing_a_meeple

[127.] Can you remove and score an abbot placed as an abbot?

This interaction is not documented and there is no official clarification about it but, in any case, there is no rule preventing this to happen. Let me explain...

The Abbot rules are written assuming the abbot is placed as a monk and, when removing the abbot, it is scored as it would happen at the end of the game... If placed as a monk, this is not an issue and if placed as an abbot on a special monastery (German monastery, Dutch & Belgian monastery or Japanese building), the wording of the scoring rules would still apply, as the abbot placed as an abbot would comply with the scoring rules of special monasteries at the end of the game.

This said, an official clarification would be required but no contradiction is found in the rules not to allow you to remove and score an abbot placed as an abbot on a special monastery.

You can check the wording of this paragraph about scoring the abbot:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot#cite_ref-10

[128.] Message 8: Can you remove any of the meeple placed on the used tiles?

I didn't understand your question. What do you mean by "on the used tiles"?

Message 8 allows you to pick a meeple on a feature and score in the following context:
* Majority is considered
* Applying after-the-game scoring rules

So meeples on the Wheel Of Fortune, the City of Carcassonne or the City of Leipzig are excluded, as they are not placed on scoreable features.

You can check the wording for Message 8 here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages#The_Messages_Tiles

[129.] Can you (red) capture a blue meeple which is placed on a tower?

Yes, this you can do it if the tower with the blue meeple is in range from the tower extended by red.

Please review the rules from the sentence starting with "Consequently,...", the Q&A box in grey and the following section "PLACING A MEEPLE ON A TOWER". The latter section indicates a meeple on a tower stays there until the end of the game or until is captured by another tower:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower#cite_ref-2

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Re: Questions
« Reply #93 on: March 15, 2020, 06:27:26 AM »
[133.] Can you place the shepherd on these tiles?


There is no rule against doing so. In any case, this would be a special case of the special case (where the tile that you place already closes the inner field):
1. You place the shepherd on the inner field and perform the Grow the flock action.
2a. If you drew a wolf token, you remove your shepherd and return the wolf token to the drawstring bag.
2b. If you drew a sheep token, as the inner field is already surrounded by city walls and cannot extend it, then you have to perform the Guide the flock to the stable automatically: you score the sheep token you just drew, remove your shepherd and return the sheep token to the drawstring bag.

You can revisit the rules for the exception here and the Order of Play just in case:
* Hills & Sheep: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep#1._Placing_a_tile
* Order of Play: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play

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Re: Questions
« Reply #94 on: March 15, 2020, 09:12:02 AM »
And you could also place a farmer on those tiles ...
AutumnForest (C2), Catch Of The Day (C1/2/WD), Cliffs&W'falls (C1/2), Coast (C1/2), FishHuts (C2), Fluvium (C2), NewForest (C2), Harvest (C1/2), Stone Circles (C1/2), Wells (C2), Jordan River 2 (AotC), River I/II (GR)
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Re: Questions
« Reply #95 on: March 15, 2020, 09:50:51 AM »
[134.] And you could also place a farmer on those tiles ...


Absolutely. A field is a field is a field...

Those inner fields may be tiny but you can use them to get farmer points other players cannot share (only a magic portal could be used to deploy a farmer to the inner field if your farmer was previously removed, let's say, by the dragon :o).

For example, the inner garden on this tile. Its semi-circular city segments are too tempting for other players to score quick points.  >:D



Besides you have a garden in C2 as well. An abbot and a phantom farmer could score up to 21 points (9 points for the garden + 3 points * 4 cities) together. Only a castle would be able to score the 9 points for the garden.
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Re: Questions
« Reply #96 on: March 15, 2020, 03:39:38 PM »
I've figured it out.
93 pages of questions.

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Re: Questions
« Reply #97 on: March 15, 2020, 03:49:53 PM »
"So meeples on the Wheel Of Fortune, the City of Carcassonne," "the City of Leipzig", on a tower and on a bathhouse "are excluded, as they are not placed on scoreable features"?

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« Reply #98 on: March 15, 2020, 04:55:56 PM »
[(128.)] "So meeples on the Wheel Of Fortune, the City of Carcassonne," "the City of Leipzig", on a tower and on a bathhouse "are excluded, as they are not placed on scoreable features"?

Message 8 cannot be applied in these cases as you cannot score any of these meeples when placed on those features:
- Meeples on the crown of the Wheel of Fortune can be scored during the game after drawing a time. No WoF scoring happens at the end of the game.
- Meeples in the City of Carcassonne can move to a feature (road, city, monastic building or filed) being scored but they do not score points by themselves.
- Meeples in the City of Leipzig score bonus points associated to features being scored but those meeples do not score independently on their own.
- Meeples on towers cannot be scored.
- Meeples in bathhouses can be bought back during the game but not scored.

This is not written in the rules but it is a consequence from the mechanics in play.

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Re: Questions
« Reply #99 on: March 21, 2020, 05:41:59 AM »
"After placing your tile, you now have 4 actions to choose from:
•You may place one of your meeples on the just-placed tile (following
the normal rules).
3 new actions:
•Place one of your tower floors on a tower
foundation space on any placed tile.
•Place one of your tower floors to any
open tower on the board.
•Place one of your meeples on any open
tower. This closes the tower."
After placing a normal tile or a tile from expansion 4 (The Tower)?
What happens if you place a tile and end a road occupied by blue, a city occupied by you and a monastery occupied by, and all 3 feature have gold ingots? You take 1 gold ingot or 2?
Can you move a wagon in a monastery of Germany and place it as an abbot?
"Exp. 1 - Inns and Cathedrals: The king does not score bonus points for a cathedral in a completed city." "The robber does not score bonus points for an inn on a completed road." That means that you do not receive 1 point for these cities and roads?
River II: In the first turn, the first player place just the fork? If you are the first player, can you place a meeple on fork? What is the position in which you must to place the fork? Do you mix the city lake tile with the river tiles?
"At the end of the game before final scoring, score the circus one last time." This circus scoring happens in the last turn or after the last turn?
Can a player receive 1 point from the fairy or receive a message tile when the player places the tile obtained from bazaar?
Player A host a bazaar auction. The tile obtained by player B is placed in player's A turn or in player's B turn?
Can you place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne if you close a shepherd field and you receive 0 points?
Can you place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne if you score a pyramid in which you do not have acrobats?
Can you remove a meeple from the City of Carcassonne or Markets of Leipzig with message 8?
Do you receive ringmaster points for messages 1, 2, 3 or 8?
You play with red. You finish an unoccupied monastery. Blue have a meeple in the Bookbinders quarter. Can you place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne?
You play with red. You place a tile which complete a road occupied by you. If you place the builder on this tile, do you receive a double-turn?
You play with red. You place a tile in a road occupied by 1 red meeple, 1 blue meeple, 1 blue builder. Do you receive a double-turn?
What happens if you place a castle on a city which contains the mage/witch?
If you score an acrobat with the message 8, you score all 1, 2 or 3 acrobats?
What happens with the vineyards when you score during the game a monastery from Germany in which there is placed a meeple as abbot?
You have a meeple in the Bookbinders quarter. In a monastery from Germany there is only one meeple placed as abbot. Later, the monastery from Germany is surrounded by 9 tiles. Do you receive 4 points?
Can you place the phantom and a normal meeple in a pyramid in the same turn?
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Re: Questions
« Reply #100 on: March 21, 2020, 09:40:46 AM »
[135.] What happens if you place a tile and end a road occupied by blue, a city occupied by you and a monastery occupied by, and all 3 feature have gold ingots? You take 1 gold ingot or 2?

As gold ingot are associated placed on tiles, only players scoring features occupying those tiles will be entitled to gold ingots. Gold ingots will be distributed to entitled players in turn order starting from the active player.

Who is occupying the monastery? It is missing in your question.

If it is you, you may get two gold ingots if there are three different players involved, you probable will get only one gold ingot.

As indicated in the following clarification:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Goldmines#cite_note-4

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In general, if one or more features are involved, the active player (if entitled to gold) chooses the first gold ingot and can choose any one of the ingots to which he/she may be entitled. The next player (in clockwise order) that is entitled to a gold ingot can then choose an appropriate ingot. Note that, because a player can choose which ingot to take first (if there is more than one to choose from), a different player who may have initially been entitled to a gold ingot may miss out if that ingot has been claimed before it is that player's turn to choose.

[136.] Can you move a wagon in a monastery of Germany and place it as an abbot?

There is no limitation in the rules to do so. I will mention here an analogous clarification about the flier and German monasteries, and you will see soon why:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=781.msg9971#msg9971

In this post, Kettlefish recounts her conversation with Georg Wild (from HiG at the time). She didn't translate the conversation from German but it goes like this:

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We had talked today about the flier and that it may land on areas that are already occupied (city, street and monastery).
I said "One good thing that usually does not mention monk (for meeple on the monastery), but only monastery."
Georg Wild then said: "Since the rule for the flier is older [than the German monastery], one did not know, as is well known, that one day a meeple could also be placed on the monastery (German monastery) as an abbot. So even if the rules would have specified "monk", this would not exclude the "abbot" on the German Monastery. So the flier can choose whether it lands on the German monastery as a monk or as an abbot."

Conclusion: If in an older expansion only mentions "monk", this does not exclude the "abbot" on the German Monastery.

Bearing all this is mind, my only consideration here is that meeples placed are monks and as abbots are not completely interchangeable in all contexts. We all know that feature completion and scoring makes them different:
* Meeple placed as a monk: it is scored when the feature is completed or at the end of the game if standing on an incomplete monastery.
* Meeple placed as an abbot: it is scored at the end of the game. They are not affected by the monastery being totally surrounded by tiles, for example.

We would have a special case with the abbot meeple, that would allow you to remove the abbot early and score it no matter if it placed as a monk or as an abbot.

In any case, after this digression, I would just add the wagons will follow the same reasoning given by Georg Wild, so they could be placed as abbots when redeployed to a German monastery (or similar special monastery: Dutch & Belgian monastery or Japanese building). If so, the the wagon will stay there until the end of the game unless, for example, removed by the dragon, captured by a tower, removed by the festival or removed/swapped by the catapult or La Porxada or trapped by a Vodyanoy tile.

[137.] "Exp. 1 - Inns and Cathedrals: The king does not score bonus points for a cathedral in a completed city." "The robber does not score bonus points for an inn on a completed road." That means that you do not receive 1 point for these cities and roads?

It is a rather weird way to say that completed cities with cathedrals and completed roads with inns just count as regular completed features (no extra bonus) when calculating the King and the Robber Baron bonus at the end of the game.

If you condense all the parts, you would have following rules for scoring the King and Robber bonus:

King:

If you have the King tile during final scoring, you gain 1 point per completed city (including the city of Carcassonne and the city of Leipzig, if you are playing with those tiles). Completed cities with a cathedral also provide 1 point (cathedrals do not affect the King bonus).

Robber:

If you have the Robber tile during final scoring, you gain 1 point per completed road. Completed roads with an inn also provide 1 point (inns do not affect the Robber bonus).

You can revisit the rules here:
* Basic rules: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber#King_and_robber
* Interactions: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber#King

[138.] River II: In the first turn, the first player place just the fork? If you are the first player, can you place a meeple on fork? What is the position in which you must to place the fork? Do you mix the city lake tile with the river tiles?

There are several questions here:
* Placing the fork tile: The first player places the fork in any position. No matter the position, at least one of the branches will admit tiles normally. 
* Placing a meeple on the fork: The first player may place a figure or even a token as usual. In this case, it is possible to place:
   1. A meeple (no phantom) as a farmer or on the Wheel of fortune (if used), a shepherd with some sheep (if you don't draw a wolf) or a Little Building.
   2. A phantom as a farmer or on the Wheel of fortune (if used).
* The city tile with the lake: Yes, it is shuffled with the rest. You take the source, the for and the lake with the volcano. Shuffle the rest of River II tiles. Place the Source on the table, Place the other tiles face down with the volcano lake at the bottom and the fork at the top. The first player will draw the fork first thing.

You can revisit the rules here:
* River setup and placement: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/River
* Order of Play (you can check available options for phase 2. Place a Meeple): http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play

[139.] "At the end of the game before final scoring, score the circus one last time." This circus scoring happens in the last turn or after the last turn?

This action happens after the last turn before scoring. That means that if you perform an extra round for remaining abbeys, the big top will be scored afterwards. 

Please check here the wrap-up sequence before final scoring starts:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference#Final_scoring

[140.] Can a player receive 1 point from the fairy or receive a message tile when the player places the tile obtained from bazaar?

Turns with bazaar tiles are normal ones, the only difference is that you use the tile you bought at the auction instead of drawing one.

Please check this clarification:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#cite_note-17

[141.] Player A host a bazaar auction. The tile obtained by player B is placed in player's A turn or in player's B turn?

This is a good question.

The simple answer would be that all the the turns with purchased tiles take place as nested turns within player A's turn. A way to illustrate this is that the bazaar action may happen at the end of the first part of a double turn (the bazaar tile extended a road or city with player A's builder). In this case, after the bazaar is finished, all players place their purchased tiles in turn and, once they are done, player A would resume the second part of their double turn.

This may get more complicated with nested double turns by other players and or thanks to additional turns after receiving Message 4 or additional turns granted by the Saint Nicholas Scoreboard... or even more complicated with delayed bazaar auctions caused by tiles drawn in nested double turns... :o

You can taste a bit of this in the clarifications related to the interaction of the builder (mistranslations included  ???):
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#Bazaar_2

[142.] Can you place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne if you close a shepherd field and you receive 0 points?

Curious question!

There are a number of factors involved here:
1. Closing a field is not completing a tile-based feature. You don't get points from a close field as a feature.
2. On the other hand, shepherds on fields are affected by closed fields and they cannot be trapped as per the rules: when closing a field with one or more shepherds, you automatically trigger the scoring if the shepherds and their shared flock by performing the "Guide Flock" action. This happens in phase 2. Placing a meeple
3. Additionally, deploying meeples to the city of Carcassonne happens in phase 3. Scoring a feature as a result of scoring a tile-based feature you completed but received no points from it. This means in order to send a meeple to the city of Carcassonne you need to complete a tile-based scoreable feature.

So this said, closing a field with a shepherd and getting 0 points for it does not allow you to send a meeple to the city of Carcassonne.

You can review the rules here:
* Sending a meeple to Carcassonne (I added restrictions defined by HiG but omitted/mistranslated by ZMG): http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber#2._Placing_a_meeple_in_the_City_of_Carcassonne
* Order of Play (to check the timing of shepherd associated actions):
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play

[143.] Can you place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne if you score a pyramid in which you do not have acrobats?

The rationale for answering this is analogous to the one used for your previous question.

There are a number of factors involved here:
1. Completing an acrobat pyramid is not completing a tile-based feature
2. On the other hand, the scoring of acrobat pyramids is deferred one or more turns and happens in phase 2. Placing a meeple
3. Additionally, deploying meeples to the city of Carcassonne happens in phase 3. Scoring a feature as a result of scoring a tile-based feature you completed but received no points from it. This means in order to send a meeple to the city of Carcassonne you need to complete a tile-based scoreable feature.

So this said, scoring an acrobat pyramids and getting 0 points for it does not allow you to send a meeple to the city of Carcassonne.

You can review the rules here:
* Sending a meeple to Carcassonne (I added restrictions defined by HiG but omitted/mistranslated by ZMG):
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber#2._Placing_a_meeple_in_the_City_of_Carcassonne
* Order of Play (to check the timing of shepherd associated actions):
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play

[144.] Can you remove a meeple from the City of Carcassonne or Markets of Leipzig with message 8?

The key point of Message 8 is that you score a feature where you may have the majority and remove a meeple from it. Meeples in the city of Leipzig are not placed on a scoreable feature of its own. Meeples in the city of Leipzig only entitle players to certain bonuses.

So Message 8 cannot affect meeples on the city of Leipzig. The city per se cannot be scored since the mechanics involve the city of Leipzig are not the usual ones for regular cities.

You can revisit the rules for Message 8 here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages#The_Messages_Tiles

[145.] Do you receive ringmaster points for messages 1, 2, 3 or 8?

There is no clarification for this, but if we apply the same principle described in answer #136, if you score a ringmaster with Messages 1, 2, 3 or 8, you should do so.
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Re: Questions
« Reply #101 on: March 21, 2020, 10:44:59 AM »
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« Reply #102 on: March 21, 2020, 02:32:32 PM »
[146.] You play with red. You finish an unoccupied monastery. Blue have a meeple in the Bookbinders quarter. Can you place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne?

Yes, you gained no points from the as the tile placement during phase 3. Scoring a feature and another player did.

You can revisit the rules to send a meeple to Carcassonne (I added restrictions defined by HiG but omitted/mistranslated by ZMG):
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber#2._Placing_a_meeple_in_the_City_of_Carcassonne

[147.] You play with red. You place a tile which complete a road occupied by you. If you place the builder on this tile, do you receive a double-turn?

No. in order to get a double turn, you have to extend a city or road where the builder was placed in a previous turn.

However, if you complete a feature with your builder, you will get a a double turn even if you cannot extend the feature granting you the double turn.

You can revisit the builder rules here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders#1._Placing_a_Tile_and_Getting_a_Double_Turn

[148.] You play with red. You place a tile in a road occupied by 1 red meeple, 1 blue meeple, 1 blue builder. Do you receive a double-turn?

No. you can only get a double turn if you intend a feature with your builder. Other builders are unimportant to you.

You can revisit the builder rules here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders#1._Placing_a_Tile_and_Getting_a_Double_Turn

[149.] What happens if you place a castle on a city which contains the mage/witch?

You will remove the mage/witch from the city. They will have no effect as no scoring takes place when converting the small city into a castle.

You can check the rules for the castle conversion here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#3._Close_a_small_city_and_place_a_castle

[150.] If you score an acrobat with the message 8, you score all 1, 2 or 3 acrobats?

This was something I was pondering when I replying to question #122, but Message 8 talks of scoring one of your meeples. Therefore you should stick to scoring one of your acrobats in a pyramid.

You can review the Message 8 rules here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages#The_Messages_Tiles

[151.] What happens with the vineyards when you score during the game a monastery from Germany in which there is placed a meeple as abbot?

Vineyards only provide additional points to monastic buildings (monasteries, abbeys, shrines, German monasteries, Dutch & Belgian monasteries, Japanese buildings and Darmstadt churches) being scored during the game when completed.

You would not score additional points for vineyards when:
* You remove and score an abbot (placed as a monk or as an abbot) before the feature is completed
* You score a special monastery (German monasteries, Dutch & Belgian monasteries, Japanese buildings) at the end of the game

Just a reminder: gardens do not score extra points for vineyards no matter the case. Gardens and vineyards do not mix.

You can revisit the interactions of the abbot with Hills & Sheep here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep#Vineyards_2

[152.] You have a meeple in the Bookbinders quarter. In a monastery from Germany there is only one meeple placed as abbot. Later, the monastery from Germany is surrounded by 9 tiles. Do you receive 4 points?

Yes, you would get the 4 points.

The rules for the Bookbinders quarter specify that you get the bonus when a monastery is completed, no matter who occupies it (you, other player or nobody). In this case, the presence of the meeple placed as an abbot is irrelevant and it would be like the monastery is unoccupied for the purpose of the bonus.

You can review the rules for the Markets of Leipzig here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_Leipzig#Scoring_during_the_game

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« Reply #103 on: March 21, 2020, 03:13:31 PM »
[153.] "After placing your tile, you now have 4 actions to choose from:
•You may place one of your meeples on the just-placed tile (following
the normal rules).
3 new actions:
•Place one of your tower floors on a tower
foundation space on any placed tile.
•Place one of your tower floors to any
open tower on the board.
•Place one of your meeples on any open
tower. This closes the tower."
After placing a normal tile or a tile from expansion 4 (The Tower)?

These four options, the regular one and the three additional ones provided when adding The Tower to your game, are available for all the tiles. This means that, instead of placing a meeple, you may place a tower floor on any tower tile already placed (on the tower foundation or on top of an existing tower) or you may place a meeple on top of an existing tower to cap it. 

Here you can revisit the rules:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower#2._Placing_a_meeple_or_a_tower_floor

(135.) What happens if you place a tile and end a road occupied by blue, a city occupied by you and a monastery occupied by, and all 3 feature have gold ingots? You take 1 gold ingot or 2?

(136.) Can you move a wagon in a monastery of Germany and place it as an abbot?

(137.) "Exp. 1 - Inns and Cathedrals: The king does not score bonus points for a cathedral in a completed city." "The robber does not score bonus points for an inn on a completed road." That means that you do not receive 1 point for these cities and roads?

(138.) River II: In the first turn, the first player place just the fork? If you are the first player, can you place a meeple on fork? What is the position in which you must to place the fork? Do you mix the city lake tile with the river tiles?

(139.) "At the end of the game before final scoring, score the circus one last time." This circus scoring happens in the last turn or after the last turn?

(140.) Can a player receive 1 point from the fairy or receive a message tile when the player places the tile obtained from bazaar?

(141.) Player A host a bazaar auction. The tile obtained by player B is placed in player's A turn or in player's B turn?

(142.) Can you place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne if you close a shepherd field and you receive 0 points?

(143.) Can you place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne if you score a pyramid in which you do not have acrobats?

(144.) Can you remove a meeple from the City of Carcassonne or Markets of Leipzig with message 8?

(145.) Do you receive ringmaster points for messages 1, 2, 3 or 8?

(146.) You play with red. You finish an unoccupied monastery. Blue have a meeple in the Bookbinders quarter. Can you place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne?

(147.) You play with red. You place a tile which complete a road occupied by you. If you place the builder on this tile, do you receive a double-turn?

(148.) You play with red. You place a tile in a road occupied by 1 red meeple, 1 blue meeple, 1 blue builder. Do you receive a double-turn?

(149.) What happens if you place a castle on a city which contains the mage/witch?

(150.) If you score an acrobat with the message 8, you score all 1, 2 or 3 acrobats?

(151.) What happens with the vineyards when you score during the game a monastery from Germany in which there is placed a meeple as abbot?

(152.) You have a meeple in the Bookbinders quarter. In a monastery from Germany there is only one meeple placed as abbot. Later, the monastery from Germany is surrounded by 9 tiles. Do you receive 4 points?

This questions are repeated: check referenced answers #136-#152.

[154.] Can you place the phantom and a normal meeple in a pyramid in the same turn?

Yes, you can place a normal meeple as an acrobat and, as a second figure, a phantom as another acrobat on the same turn, according to the rules for phantoms.

You can check the Order of Play to explore all the possibilities for phantoms:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play

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